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Big $22 30 left.. Light 3bet spot
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March 28, 2012 - 7:12 pm
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Not much history with villian. Know he is a losing player. 30 people left. $10,000 to first place in Big $22 on stars (huge field)

Would love to hear your guys thoughts on all streets and what he calls with… I will post results in 2 days along with my take on the hand.

 

Poker Stars $20+$2 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t3200/t6400 Blinds + t800 – 7 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

edaune17 (SB): BB = 60.5, t387334
amarilloo (BB): BB = 59.4, t380236
wildchild909 (UTG): BB = 87.1, t557665
luis184 (UTG+1): BB = 48.9, t312873
ninskymo13 (MP): BB = 190.3, t1217657
Hero (CO): BB = 55.4, t354546
samza329 (BTN): BB = 56.4, t360642

Pre Flop: (t15200) Hero is CO with K of clubs 6 of spades
1 fold, luis184 raises to t15800, 1 fold, Hero raises to t29556, 3 folds, luis184 calls t13756

Flop: (t74312) 3 of diamonds A of clubs 7 of diamonds (2 players)
luis184 checks, Hero bets t24522, luis184 calls t24522

Turn: (t123356) 5 of hearts (2 players)
luis184 checks, Hero bets t62911, luis184 calls t62911

River: (t249178) 2 of diamonds (2 players)
luis184 checks, Hero bets t236757 all in, luis184 calls t195084 all in

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March 28, 2012 - 8:14 pm
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Maybe I'm way to much of a NIT but I think I give up on that pot after he flats the turn. Hes probably chasing the flush or has a weak ass ace hes married to. Bluffs rarely work on these newbs because they dont understand the game enough to know they should fold. Either that or he had some wicked read on you. I'd go with hes a newb though.

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March 29, 2012 - 1:25 am
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great spot to 3bet light, but not sure if I would 3 barrel in this spot very often. i would like this play a lot more if it was closer to the FT bubble or if you had a solid read/history with the villain. based on the line that the villain took I guess he more than likely flopped a set here or called down with KQ-J10dd. either that or he had AQ-A10. that or he made a sick hero call with 88-JJ. my question to you is as played what are you repping when you 3 barrel jam here? not sure if i like the jam on the river when the diamond hits, but then again it more than likely doesn't change anything. i do however think when the diamond does hit that your jam looks rather bluffy. good stuff though, this line obviously will work more often than not.

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March 29, 2012 - 8:35 am
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weak line from villain but i wouldnt 3 barrel (becaue im a nit 😉 and) because it seems like this guy is having a lil sth and seems to hold on to that. with some stats on him it would be easier.

if you deceide to 3b pre you obv have to cbet this flop. i often would tend to give up after he calls.

the river seems to be a good card to bluff on when he checks again.but i just would do so when i know villain and have some history with him and know that he will not call with anything else than a flush.

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March 29, 2012 - 4:49 pm
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Not having much info on villian makes dislike the 3barrel here. He is showing station tendency once he calls on the turn so he either is letting you barrel into him with a set, calling down with flush draw, or stationing and calling you down with a medium A. All 3 of those say your 3barrel does not work on river.

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March 29, 2012 - 6:37 pm
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Think some of you are viewing this slightly biased and want your answer to sound correct according to the results of the hand and the fact that you know he called the triple barrel jam. Reason for posting this is to create a good discussion of what to do in this particular spot deep in an mtt among members and what styles would do what differently on each street etc. I could be wrong but thats the feeling I get. See if we get a few more responses to the thread and I will show the results and give my input tomorrow.

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March 29, 2012 - 7:00 pm
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i know we have position here, but i probably like 3betting slightly bigger preflop, to like 36k. its probably neither here nor there though, i just think losing players would be flatting this 3bet a whole bunch of the time. 

 

in terms of your line, i like it a lot better if the Ad is on the board, because it takes this card out of villain's range. there is a fair chance that villain calls 3 streets with any raggy ace if he also holds the Ad, just because it is much harder to put you on a flush.

 

I think the triple barrel is designed to get villain to fold an ace, and you are hoping to fold out AT-AQ here, but i think that any hand with the Ad calls because it is so much harder to put you on a flush. I dont think you can worry about villain having a set here, if he has it he has it, if he checks 3 times with a set then gg him. I honestly think he has a weak ace with the Ad and cant put you on the flush. 

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March 30, 2012 - 1:12 am
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Villain is a losing player you said, sometimes it's surprising how many bad players filter their way to the final couple of tables in huge field mtts. With a 50 bbs stack def looking to keep building chips by exploiting these guys' mistakes. Vs a random like this, I don't know if I continue betting the turn. Too many fish bet/call  AT, AJ and even worst and go all the way with it disregarding possibly being dominated.  Would bet all three streets if I saw evidence that he was a major station and folded the river after calling the flop and turn in prior hands.

Prefer the K6 to be suited tbh.

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March 30, 2012 - 5:58 pm
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Uncalled bet (41673) returned to DannyN13
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DannyN13: shows [Kc 6s] (high card Ace)
luis184: shows [8s As] (a pair of Aces)
luis184 collected 639346 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 639346 | Rake 0
Board [3d Ac 7d 5h 2d]
Seat 2: edaune17 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: amarilloo (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: wildchild909 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: luis184 showed [8s As] and won (639346) with a pair of Aces
Seat 6: ninskymo13 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: DannyN13 showed [Kc 6s] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 9: samza329 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
So here are the results.
As8s flats 3bet pre, c/c flop, c/c turn, c/c river.
I obviously had him pegged on what I thought was A10 maybe AJ but in this case even worse.
Line makes perfect sense as to how I would play a set, AQ, AK or a flush. 
And yes I would jam the river with AQ and AK in the exact same fashion if I range him on A10 or AJ.
His flat pre is beyond weak. Check calling flop made me think most likely a10,aj or flush draw
Check/Calling turn made me still think A10 AJ or flush draw setting up an almost pot size jam on river. If flush hits and he checks I plan on bluffing the flush, because players like this always lead their spiked draws OOP and I would expect him to bet if not jam if he has it.
The world get theres on the river if he was not beat already and is nearly impossible to call. Any half brain of a human is folding the river to this line every time. Straight, set, AK, AQ, AJ, flush all get there/are there and with 30 people left and 10k on the line to first I expect fish to let this go and not just say “ME HAVE ACE, ME CALL AND ME PRAY” 
Obviously guy was a neaderthal and didn't think over the situation and line and try ranging me at all and fell in love with his top pair.
But honestly I think when I take this pot down with triple barrel bluff I set myself up to win the tournament and I believe this line works a TON of the time. Thanks for feedback. A lot of you may view this as a spew. But when you range someone and hit the nail on the head and the runout along with your line, I believe you have to experiment and go with your gut if you think it is going to work.
Thanks for the feedback!
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March 30, 2012 - 8:08 pm
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Being totally honest even though I would expect I am making a bunch of mistakes here is how I would play it:

 

PF: Fold  ( I don't see why this is a good spot to 3bet, everybody is 49 bbs or more deep, you are facing a losing player's open from EP, and there are 3 stacks behind you still that can wake up with a hand).  I do get the iso IP but I would do it with a different hand that flops well against an EP open

 

Flop: as played I C-bet to 35K or so repping Ace

When the villain calls I ptu him on a bunch of Aces and a Bunch of flush draws. 77, 33, AK (if he didnt raise pf) and over pairs I expect to raise here so I am taking them out of his range.

 

Turn: as played I shut it down. 

After we bet and he calls again I might discount some Ace combos and put him on AT+, A7, A3, A5 and diamond draws like KQ, QJ, KT.  At high stakes I expect most AdiamondXdiamond hands to raise on the flop or turn, but here it might still be a possibility

 

River: As played I think a shove bluff is super powerful and we make any Ace combo fold. , I go ahead and shove it.  I think there are more A combos than Diamond flushes in his range making it a Profitable shove.  If I feel the other player is prone to be thinking of money jumps at this stage.

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March 30, 2012 - 9:07 pm
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DannyN13 said:

Any half brain of a human is folding the river to this line every time. 
you need to work at assigning brain ranges better, you obviously had him on half a brain more than what he actually had 
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