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June 3, 2012
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Villan is running a 31/8 over 15. They way he played this hand confused the hell out of me and hand no idea where i stood on this hand.
Poker Stars $15.00+$1.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t75/t150 Blinds + t20 – 9 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
Akwabear (UTG+2): BB = 42.5, t6379
DUNHILLREDS (MP1): BB = 48.3, t7252
srv1 (MP2): BB = 11.4, t1715
Taffareu (CO): BB = 8.6, t1290
TRAPITO939 (BTN): BB = 19.0, t2849
m@ximgr (SB): BB = 61.7, t9255
wltrs (BB): BB = 18.2, t2735
Hero (UTG): BB = 39.5, t5932
Snai72 (UTG+1): BB = 39.0, t5845
Pre Flop: (t405) Hero is UTG with 5
5
Hero raises to t400, 7 folds, wltrs calls t250
Flop: (t1055) 6
Q
3 (2 players)
wltrs bets t300, Hero calls t300
Turn: (t1655) 8 (2 players)
wltrs bets t150, Hero raises to t575, wltrs calls t425
River: (t2805) Q (2 players)
wltrs bets t1122, Hero ???
July 17, 2012
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I feel like the donk bet by a loose/bad/inexperienced player generally means that he got a piece of a wettish board and is trying to protect his hand. I'd suspect a Q in his hand, or perhaps 66 or 33. In this situation, I think you can save yourself some chips and fold the flop donk bet, though I don't hate floating one, mostly for appearences. The min bet/call on the turn almost surely means you are beat. That little min bet says to me he wants to keep you in the hand.
Getting donk bet can surely be tricky to deal with. If the player is a bit more saavy, I would suspect a monster that he is trying to get you to spew off with, but v's bet sizing in this case indicates the former to me; a bad/inexperienced player.
Either way, I feel like your 55 is beaten from the flop.
I'm curious to see what the other posters think about this, as a lot of times I get confused in these situations too. Lol … I always have Big Dog's voice in my head saying “Chips right in his grill” when I get donk bet, but that is a pretty spewy move most times.
July 20, 2012
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I don't really like flatting his donk lead there. You could fold though it seems weak so I would raise there and find out what his donk lead meant. If he calls the raise then I expect him to have Qx with a weak kicker, 6x, 3x or a FD. I wouldn't expect to have much if any fold equity against him once he calls a flop raise and so I would be giving up/hoping to get to showdown.
When you delay the raise you are making it easier for him to continue, knowing he only has to face one more bet. Also the pot is bigger on the turn and so you are committing more chips for the same purpose.
Given his overall line and his river bet I expect him to have Qx almost every time, I doubt it's ever a missed FD given his play to there and so for me it is a comfortable fold on river as played.
June 3, 2012
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Thanks for the reply guys. The donk lead to me is so confusing, i can never figure out if its a draw, bluff or has hit the flop resonably well. I guess the best option is to raise on the flop. That way we can get some information and hopefully get to showdown cheaper.
Curioristy got the better of me and called. He showed Q10 off for a pair of queens.
May 30, 2012
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i prob just fold to his donk, he is donking into a UTG rqise and this is barely ever air its usually like 77-1010 and Qx
Why are we flatting the flop but then raising the turn?
I would prefer a) raising the donk lead on the flop w/ intent of pounding most turns, or b)simply giving up on this flop.
Idk anything about villain but would say the VAST majority of the time, inexperienced players who donk lead the flop end up folding to flop raises or flop raises + turn aggression. With these options we don't really have to care too much what our hand is since we have very little showdown value anyway.
And above all else please don't call the river as played.
June 3, 2012
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MovesLikeDarvin said:
Why are we flatting the flop but then raising the turn?
I would prefer a) raising the donk lead on the flop w/ intent of pounding most turns, or b)simply giving up on this flop.
Idk anything about villain but would say the VAST majority of the time, inexperienced players who donk lead the flop end up folding to flop raises or flop raises + turn aggression. With these options we don’t really have to care too much what our hand is since we have very little showdown value anyway.
And above all else please don’t call the river as played.
I think i was confused to be honest, which is why i flatted flop and to see what he does on the turn. When he leads for 150 on the turn i took that as weakness and hence the raise. Obvs not a good line and wont do it again. But thats why i raised turn.
Gotta raise to the donk lead in this spot. Use you position and continue to represent a big hand. He will fold his weak top or medium pair a majority of the time.
Liverpool015 said:
I think i was confused to be honest, which is why i flatted flop and to see what he does on the turn. When he leads for 150 on the turn i took that as weakness and hence the raise. Obvs not a good line and wont do it again. But thats why i raised turn.
your logic is fine but it just works better on the flop. a smart thing to remember is how your hand looks to other players as well. i get how you evaluated his possible holdings but you also have to consider how he perceives your hand as well.
if i was you in this spot tbh id have raised flop (gotten called), raised turn (prob gotten called) and then given up on river bc it makes his Qx range too strong to fold and makes it less likely that we have a Q and makes him more likely to call with the weaker portions of his range. the only weak portion of his range that would have gotten this far is 3x and bricked diamonds, both of which we can beat at showdown and thus no river bet.
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