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Big 109 - Good reg, odd play

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July 21, 2015 - 2:40 pm

I often see some very strange/bad plays in MTTs. Mostly by bad players obv.

But when I see (what should be) a good regular make a rather big mistake (imho) i tend to look closer at the hand. Maybe I learn that he was right and it wasnt a mistake.

So my question to TPE: What is he thinking and how should he play hes range?

This hand plays out in the Big109.

PokerStars Hand #138342420279: Tournament #1277353160, $100+$9 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (50/100) - 2015/07/21 20:12:54 CET [2015/07/21 14:12:54 ET]
Table '1277353160 18' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: papan9_p$ (5251 in chips) 
Seat 2: Mr Longhit (2855 in chips) 
Seat 3: klenius (1179 in chips) 
Seat 4: Belabacsi (3044 in chips) 
Seat 5: Igoriah (3051 in chips) 
Seat 6: V (4261 in chips) 
Seat 7: OverTheTop43 (1866 in chips) 
Seat 8: MountainRo$e (5952 in chips) 
Seat 9: Machadada RS (3418 in chips) 
papan9_p$: posts the ante 10
Mr Longhit: posts the ante 10
klenius: posts the ante 10
Belabacsi: posts the ante 10
Igoriah: posts the ante 10
V: posts the ante 10
OverTheTop43: posts the ante 10
MountainRo$e: posts the ante 10
Machadada RS: posts the ante 10
papan9_p$: posts small blind 50
Mr Longhit: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Mr Longhit [XX]
klenius: folds 
Belabacsi: folds 
Igoriah: folds 
V: raises 136 to 236
OverTheTop43: folds 
MountainRo$e: folds 
Machadada RS: folds 
papan9_p$: folds 
Mr Longhit: calls 136
*** FLOP *** [7c 5s 8h]
Mr Longhit: checks 
V: bets 263
Mr Longhit: raises 437 to 700
V raises 2300 to 3000
Mr Longhit: calls 1909 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (391) returned to V
*** TURN *** [7c 5s 8h] [Jc]
*** RIVER *** [7c 5s 8h Jc] [Tc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Mr Longhit: shows [XX]
punisher03: shows [Qh Ad] (high card Ace)

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July 21, 2015 - 4:12 pm

I'll admit I'm stumped. If your flop ck/raising range consists of enough hands that fold, or if your ck/raising range is like…exactly the nuts only as far as value goes, I guess I can see why but it seems rather spewy and too hopeful that you're ck/raise/folding like QTss. Very few players have a ck/raise % that high.

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July 21, 2015 - 4:37 pm

I read through the hand twice and still cant figure out why he shoves over the check-raise, even if he suspects 9T is a strong candidate for your range here.

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July 21, 2015 - 9:28 pm

Did he think you check-raised a straight draw? The problem is the flop hits your range pretty hard, defending out of the big blind. Lots of straight draws, two pair, sets, pair plus a backdoor flush draw, etc. There's nothing you can check-raise with that he's ahead of besides a straight draw.

I know it took me a long time to learn not to bet so only hands worse than mine will fold—that is, to “pick up the pot right there.” But I can't figure out what else he is doing here.

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July 21, 2015 - 10:06 pm

May be a raise on a 758r flop seems bluffy? You aren't raising with 69 or even 78 i would think… The only reason I can fathom the villain to call you is if he thinks you have something like A6 or so..

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July 21, 2015 - 10:47 pm

I would be raising a ton on this flop. So obv I would be raising nutted hands as well.

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July 22, 2015 - 10:28 am

when you say you're raising this flop a lot, are you more weighted toward a certain direction or is their a modicum of balance between bluff/semi bluff/value/value that wants folds? i think i can see what's happening if he expects you to c/r a lot of overcard stuff. i can't see him expecting you to c/r/fold an 8, which means they must be targeting your air, but it feels too optimistic.

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July 22, 2015 - 4:46 pm

Honestly, this just looks like this particular reg was on tilt or something. I can't find any real reason for this play unless he thinks you have some kind of crazy high check-raise bluff frequency. Really weird.

It's possible he was trying to play unexploitably and ensure he played back at your raise with the correct frequency, but I find it hard to believe that AQo would be in the GTO 3-bet shove range for this flop here. There are some fairly simple baseline assumptions he can make about your range here too, so it's a little unnecessary for him to try to play super GTO in a spot like this when he can play at least somewhat exploitatively without too much hassle.

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July 22, 2015 - 4:46 pm

Probably he was tilted. It never ceases to amaze me how many otherwise good players lose their cool so easily because of a bad beat or something. Very hard for me to respect a player who gets obviously frustrated by the kind of bad luck you should expect to encounter in poker on a regular basis.

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