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Bet turn for value or chip/jam turn?
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November 24, 2014 - 12:56 pm
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Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t60/t120 Blinds + t15 – 9 players – View hand 2615300
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Silver41 (UTG): BB = 54.2, t6507
bigbadwolfLT (UTG+1): BB = 52.6, t6318
ViziruA (UTG+2): BB = 45.5, t5460
NunoRito77 (MP1): BB = 25.9, t3114
Hero (MP2): BB = 67.0, t8041
raff2210 (CO): BB = 100.4, t12047
simion1956 (BTN): BB = 163.2, t19578
snak3302 (SB): BB = 24.6, t2955
Trym Olsen (BB): BB = 3.0, t365

Pre Flop: (t315) Hero is MP2 with A of hearts A of spades
Silver41 calls t120, 3 folds, Hero raises to t540, 4 folds, Silver41 calls t420

Flop: (t1395) 9 of clubs 2 of spades 7 of spades (2 players)
Silver41 checks, Hero bets t1102, Silver41 calls t1102

Turn: (t3599) K of hearts (2 players)
Silver41 checks, Hero bets t3480, Silver41 calls t3480

River: (t10559) 5 of hearts (2 players)
Silver41 checks, Hero bets t2904 all in, Silver41 calls t1370 all in

Final Pot: t13299
Silver41 shows 8d 6d (a straight, Five to Nine)
Hero shows Ah As (a pair of Aces)
Silver41 wins t13299

 

Bet turn for value or chip/jam turn?

 

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I'm not sure what chip/jam means, but I would have used somewhat smaller sizing on all streets (except river). Your sizing is good against a player you know will be far too loose, and obviously it worked out for you here, but against even slightly better players I think you'll get disproportionately many folds to such large bets.

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Foucault said:

I'm not sure what chip/jam means, but I would have used somewhat smaller sizing on all streets (except river). Your sizing is good against a player you know will be far too loose, and obviously it worked out for you here, but against even slightly better players I think you'll get disproportionately many folds to such large bets.

 With chip or jam, I ment to say shove turn, to avoid that V suck out on the river.

 

Cause all the times somebody calls 2 streets(flop&turn) postflop wit a flush draw this would mean that from math expectation we go busto ~33% of the time with our over-pair holding if we get to the river.

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Your goal shouldn’t be to prevent Villain from calling large bets with hands that have ~16% equity. Yes, if you were to get all in on the flop, you’d lose about 33% of the time, which means that you’d more than double up about 67% of the time, and that’s a pretty nice proposition…

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“Your goal shouldn't be to prevent Villain from calling large bets with hands that have ~16% equity. Yes, if you were to get all in on the flop, you'd lose about 33% of the time, which means that you'd more than double up about 67% of the time, and that's a pretty nice proposition.”

Thank you very mutch for your answer Foucault.

Obvious you look it from the bright side, and show me ho many times we winning, something like the glass is half full or half emptysmile.

In this hand I convinced myself (after studying your “easy hand reading videos”) this guy was on somekind of a draw, and did not want to let suck him out on me, but now I understand that I have to be satisfied with the 67% double up.

 

Maybe this was also a menthal error to start thinking like that.

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