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Bet the flop with second pair but check-raised on turn
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Hand Conversion Powered by WeakTight Poker Hand History Converter
No Limit Holdem Tournament PokerStars
8 Players
$2.00+$0.20

Blinds 1.6k/3.2k 8
UTG nikit198 232k
UTG+1 cel0824 118k
MP1 Hero 170k
MP2 lerogomes 7.1k
CO DiFerreira27 126k
D Valera060885 171k
SB bertola12 36k
BB mario9999 293k

Preflop
8 8k Hero is MP1 6 6
1 fold, cel0824 calls 3.2k, Hero calls 3.2k, 3 folds, bertola12 calls 1.6k, mario9999 checks
Flop
4 16k 4 5 A
bertola12 checks, mario9999 checks, cel0824 checks, Hero bets 8.3k, bertola12 folds, mario9999 calls 8.3k, cel0824 folds
Turn
2 33k 3
mario9999 checks, Hero bets 12k, mario9999 raises to 25k, Hero calls 12k
River
2 82k 9
mario9999 checks, Hero checks
Final Pot 82k

The turn gives us some open-ended-straight outs to go with possibly having the best hand.

When V check-raises the turn I have a feeling we need to improve to a straight or set to win.

I think I would have folded if the turn was any other card. I’m not sure I would have 2-barreled at all.

As played I don’t think we can get any better hands fold by turning our hand into a bluff. Check seems like the only option.

 

Should I have bet the flop at all? 

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If you’re going to bet the flop, I think you should bet way smaller, like 1/4 pot. Think about what you are trying to accomplish with the bet. The thing about betting bigger is that you probably only get called by an Ace, and your equity vs an Ace is terrible, so either everyone folds and your hand doesn’t matter or you put in 8K drawing nearly dead.

Picking up the OESD is nice but I don’t see what you expect a turn bet to accomplish at this point. V isn’t folding better and he’s not likely to have worse.

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Is it even worth beting in this spot? I think this is one of this situations where we are setting ourselves to either win a small pot or lose a big one.

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chaos said
Is it even worth beting in this spot? I think this is one of this situations where we are setting ourselves to either win a small pot or lose a big one.

If you’re talking about flop, it’s borderline but I don’t hate it, as long as it’s small. There’s no reason it should result in losing a big pot, as you can just stop putting money in if the flop bet is called.

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Good points. even 1/3 pot on the flop probably gets me to the same place more cheaply. I probably should have checked the turn but I thought there were probably more draws, and maybe 5s, in V’s range than there probably were. More of my state of mind below…

@Chaos, I probably could have just checked and called small turn bet on this one. I’m not sure how results-oriented that is though. Just to share some of my thinking regarding why I did choose to bet the flop:

PF I’m set-mining.

I felt the flop offered me the opportunity to still win the pot so the bet was sized a little bigger for the multi-way pot to take it down. I didn’t expect to improve often so it was a stab that I wanted to work more often. When called I assumed V to have some Ax with weak kicker and flush draws. On the turn, in-game, I thought I was value-betting more often than semi-bluffing. Once check-raised I felt V was weighed way more heavily toward Ax with 2 pair or a wheel very likely, but only had to call 12k to win 83K (it was possible some outs were dirty but the price is +EV with implied odds…I think implied odds here are huge if V really does have two-pair or a wheel, which would be my target with a river bet if I get there.). I was giving up on any river that didn’t complete a straight or set. So, when I call the turn, I think I am winning a big pot or losing what I just called.

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