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I don't know how much more strong I could have played this hand. Does my
all in on the river scream bluff and would a valueish raise on the
river be more effective?
Or is my whole line kamakazi ish?
Feel free to pick me apart here
Villian playing a 26 9. I minbet the turn to continue repping a big hand. his weak lead on the river looked like a weak hand trying to get to showdown as cheaply as possilble. So I carried through with a river raise. Is he too invested to fold here as well?
Full Tilt Poker Game #29338861328: $40,000 KO Guarantee (227934293),
Table 310 – 300/600 Ante 75 – No Limit Hold'em – 17:44:06 ET –
2011/03/25
Seat 1: aviator0925 (21,664)
Seat 2: PDXplayerJL (8,889)
Seat 3: kingten102 (18,050)
Seat 4: nazza23 (34,609)
Seat 5: Dr McG (15,455)
Seat 6: truesyalose (25,632)
Seat 7: sah_24 (23,841)
Seat 8: SurferKel (9,645)
Seat 9: napolitano06 (9,471)
aviator0925 antes 75
PDXplayerJL antes 75
kingten102 antes 75
nazza23 antes 75
Dr McG antes 75
truesyalose antes 75
sah_24 antes 75
SurferKel antes 75
napolitano06 antes 75
truesyalose posts the small blind of 300
sah_24 posts the big blind of 600
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to kingten102 [8h 8c]
SurferKel folds
napolitano06 folds
aviator0925 folds
PDXplayerJL has 15 seconds left to act
PDXplayerJL raises to 1,200
kingten102 raises to 3,000
nazza23 folds
Dr McG folds
truesyalose folds
sah_24 folds
PDXplayerJL calls 1,800
*** FLOP *** [Ad Js 7s]
PDXplayerJL checks
kingten102 checks
*** TURN *** [Ad Js 7s] [Ts]
PDXplayerJL bets 1,200
kingten102 raises to 2,400
PDXplayerJL calls 1,200
*** RIVER *** [Ad Js 7s Ts] [7d]
PDXplayerJL bets 600
kingten102 raises to 12,575, and is all in
I would've played this slightly differently.
I agree with the raise, but would've made it smaller. 8s aren't fantastic, but you isolate the pot, and keep it relatively small… you may hit a set.
With two over cards on the flop and the villan checks, i'd definitely throw out a c-bet (just over half pot).. To test the water, he may fold mid/low pockets, but will definitely play any A, J, flush draws. If he flats, cool, you get to see another card… but if he raises I'd let it go…
the 7 on the river does nothing for me… and I would've definitely pitched it in your situation… imo he already has you beaten on the flop. I'd put him on a love affair with Ax. An all in bluff, representing a trip 7s is risky given the size of your respective stacks.
So, I guess with 8s, I would've tried to keep the pot small, to give you more room to move and a cheap escape plan when there are two over cards on the flop.
Yea, I can't say the line makes much sense from the villain's perspective. Not sure what your min-raise on the turn is going to accomplish either. When you min-raise there the pot is 11,175, so if he has a piece of anything you're not pricing him out, and it would seem that by the turn he's probably hit something in his 3bet calling range. His min-bet on the river is also odd, but I don't see why he stab that in there and then folds to any bet after you had just min-raised him on the last street. Going into the riv he had ~3400 so it's hard to think of a hand he would lead 1/6 of his stack and then fold when the pot is now effectively 15K. I guess you could perceive it as a n00b blocker bet? Curious to find out what he had, I'm guessing he called with some A?
You hit the nail on the head when you said – is he too invested to fold here as well.
The problem is that the effective stacks (ie Villain's stack size), which are around 15BB, are just no where near deep enough for this sort of multi street play.
This is a clear fold pre-flop for me. The re-raise is worth 30% of V's stack and basically leaves you pot committed if he comes over the top, which is a horrible position to be in with 88 – you're basically praying to be racing against AK!
(Incidentally, the stacks arent even deep enough to flat call and set mine either since the effective stacks need to be 10-15 times the amount to call to make this +EV.).
As played, when he calls your reraise on the turn (for a big chunk of his remaining stack), you can take it as read he's never ever folding.
All the best and GL at the tables.
B
well said. he had queens and called. He wrote on the rail “i just didn't think you had it”.
My min raise on the turn, though weird, was meant to look strong. I would play AK this exact same way, checking behind the flop for value,
then minraising the turn. His river lead looked like exactly what it was. A one pair hand trying to get to a cheap showdown, so I raised.
In retrospect, probably bad on all streets by me. I think i was trying to “outplay” a guy with no FE
against someone running 26/9, i'd fold PF. he's mostly limping and calling PF but now he's minraising. you could maybe call since he's so passive, but in general i don't think we're ahead of his range and i don't think it's that profitable to try and make stations fold a strong range.
postflop is kind of an abortion. yes you are repping a strong hand, but unfortunately you are only repping two hands: AA and JJ. when bluffing, it's better to be able to represent a much wider range of value hands.
bet the flop.
as played fold the turn.
as played on the river i'd think that raising>calling, but i'm just not confident we're getting him to fold anything after he calls the turn and a blank hits.
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