villian is IP , you've read the h/h wrong , no big deal. Hero is oop , so when we get to the turn and we barrel i agree we can be faced with a raise , maybe a hand that does not have good showdown value may turn their hand into a bluff to represent a straight , its possible. Though with our hand i dont think we have much showdown value , so i actually don't hate betting and if villian calls , i reckon most of their range would be rather marginal which would include hands like AJ/KJ/JT , because if villian had a straight they'll likely raise turn , though some players may decide to just call , which makes it tricky when we go the river. I think for the most part though if v does call turn most of their range would be marginal which can allow us to fire river and get villian to fold the best hand , we also do have decent equity and can improve otr. I'm not to sure how wide our bluffing range should be in this spot , which makes me question if this hand is a good enough bluffing candiate for this.

yeah i was thinking the same thing andrew , if villain checks back turn their range wont consist of monsters more so marginal hands like KJ/AJ , which we may be able to get villain to fold on blank river or even if the board pairs. hero could of easily checked turn with a hand like 88/99/JJ (sets) or maybe even a straight and we now can be value betting river representing monsters hands. I think we have more monsters in our range rather then villain does as well. for villain to check back turn really does indicate that they don't have monsters in their range which will allow us to bluff a fair amount otr as our hand does not have enough STD. I wouould also like to add that i doubt villain will turn a hand like AJ into a bluff , because if they wanted to bluff they would of likely done that on the turn , so when we do get to the river we could put them in a tough spot with those type of hands.

even if the river is a jack i still think bluffing is OK , villain may very well fold a hand like trips Jx here too and i reckon thats what the top of their range would look like IMO. 🙂

i never wanted to post the action on the turn and river because i think my line on the river is terrible LOL. I'd like to know your thoughts on my play. I decided to shove river , for like 4 times the pot or something. Ingame i thought to myself well villian could have checked back turn with a straight , though now i realised that their range consisted more of marginal hands , so a better play would of been to just bet like 1/3 of the pot to get a call from those hands , pretty much giving them good odds on the call.  I also think that if the river was lets say :2heart: , i really should be over shoving here as a bluff just like i did here with the nuts and i'm pretty sure andrew would agree with that.

what i also question is what would u guys do with your two pair type of hands otr , like 98/J9s? i may decide to b/f river or maybe even b/c as i really don't think villian will be checking back straights ott so when they do raise river it would not make any sense. Though i just dont think many players will have the balls to raise this river as a bluff so maybe the best way to go is to b/f with your two pair type of hands because if we check they'll only likely check back their weaker marginal hands like KJ/AJ. 

how about c/c river though with your two pair hands? that dont sound great imo because i reckon v will be checking back hands that have decent showdown value. so ya b/f seems best , right?

** Dealing turn ** [ T

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london_ace checks
Wulgurukaba checks
** Dealing river ** [ 2

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london_ace bets [$1,724]
Wulgurukaba folds
** Summary **