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Best response to huge 3bet after early open with AQ in $0.55 tournament.
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July 12, 2016 - 2:11 pm
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All,

spots like this come up every now and then and I never know what the best response is. I was hoping you, the glorious TPE nation, could shed some light on this matter.

I’m in a $0.55 tournament on Pokerstars and have a stack of $29600. Blinds are 200/400/50 and I open to $920 UTG with AQo. It folds to the button who 3bets to $5600 from a stack of about $13200. I have no additional info or stats on the button. SB and BB folds and it’s back to me.

What do you guys do here? 

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Fold without a second thought. Versus a 3-bet that big you have no option to flat-call given the stack sizes (although you still wouldn’t really have the option to flat-call here even if you were a lot deeper), and you have no fold equity on a 4-bet. Villain’s range is likely very heavy on AK/TT/JJ in a spot like this so your raw equity isn’t good either. It’s totally fine – and in fact necessary – to fold a large portion of your range to a really big 3-bet like this. Just dump it.

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I run into this sometimes as well, I imagine it’s a call with AKo with 44.9% equity (Equilab) since there is no fold equity here? I’m also assuming there’s no fold equity due to the percentage of Villians stack already in the pot?

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I would add that a key difference between AQ and AK is that in the former case you aren’t blocking pocket kings.

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July 13, 2016 - 6:36 am
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Thanks for your input guys.

I had the same thoughts about AQ vs AK and I guess I would have sighed and jammed with AK. As it were I folded.

Two follow up questions:

Is there a stack depth where this might be call? To me it seems that it’s gonna be pretty damn hard to play the hand unless we either flop huge or the villain shows extreme weakness on both flop and turn. 

Do you ever see this play in higher buyin tournaments or is it more of a “i want to win the pot but don’t play the hand” type of play sometimes found amongst us lower buyin players?

Thanks again!

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I think the stack depth at 200/400 where I’m considering flatting a 5600 3-bet OOP with anything after I’ve opened to 900 is probably something around 60,000 (since villain’s range is so strong and there’s >14k in the pot after we call), and the stack depth where I would consider flatting AQo is probably…100k? 120k? Not really sure. Even at those stacks I feel weird about it considering AQo plays so poorly OOP against tight ranges. AQs I would probably flat at 60k since it’s a bit easier to hit flops with a suited hand, but that’s a massive 3-bet no matter how deep you are, and villain’s range is still super strong.

I don’t want to say you’ll never see this thing in higher buyin tournaments because there are still weaker players in those tournaments, but this is not something you’ll really see from regs/good players at any level. It’s virtually impossible to create a strategy where 3-betting to 5600 from a 13k stack is good because you’re priced in to calling off your stack with whatever you have once the raiser shoves, and yet the kind of hands you would be okay with doing that are losing a ton of value by 3-betting so big.

Try not to make such a big distinction between ‘higher buyin players/lower buyin players’. There are a lot of bad poker players who have the money to play higher buyins, and these days there are some somewhat decent (if usually very nitty) grinders playing even very low stakes games.

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