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June 2, 2012
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I decided to watch some coverage of the Main Event on ESPN tonight and saw Ben Lamb play two hands pretty bad IMO. I'll post the hands and then open them for discussion.
Hand 1
1000-2000 300
Randall (pro player) 510k opens UTG with Kd10d to 4500. Lamb in MP with 200k flats with AcQd, Button flats with 33, SB calls with 64dd and BB calls with QJo. Flop comes Kc4h9h. Check, check, Randall bets 13,600 into 25,200. Lamb then makes it 30,000, it folds back to Randall and he flats. Turn Jd check, check. River 2d check, check. Honestly think Lamb played this hand atrociously. He knows Randall is opening light because he's good and he has piles. Why not make a small 3b here pre instead of flatting and inviting everyone in behind? This will polarize people's ranges behind you and you are IP on the orginal opener. Flatting is fine too I guess I just prefer to 3b given the dynamic. Regardless his post flop play is horrible. Randall is c-betting into 4 other people which makes his hand stronger IMO. Lamb makes it 30k to accomplish what? He has absolutely nothing and someone almost 100% of the time here has a K and is not folding. Plus who's to say people behind him didn't flop a set or might go crazy with a flush draw? Just an odd play and I think it's bad overall. Thoughts?
Hand 2
1200-2400 300
Folds to Lamb in cutoff (160k) with AA he opens to 5,500. BB (90k) calls with QdJs. Flop 8s5dQh. Lamb bets 6,000 into 14,900 and BB calls. Turn 2s. BB donk leads 13,000 into 26,900 and Lamb piles. BB has 70k behind and folds. I just can't justify shoving here. You are ONLY getting called if you are beat because it is such a big shove (6.5x raise). Why not flat here and get another bet from him when he pretty much plays his hand face up? Idk maybe he thought he was going to get the guy to call but he folded rather easily. He could click it back to 28,000 with intention to call a shove as well. I just hate his line. Thoughts?
May 30, 2012
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i wouldnt hate the pile in hand 2 if there were more fds and draws out there, since that would somewhat underrep your hand.
equally if it fits with a move he has made previously then it looks lighter and balances his range, in a vaccum i agree with you.\\
July 3, 2010
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Hand 1 is horrible. Hand 2 is tough to say because I don't know if there is a dynamic between Ben and the player he shoved on. If there is no dynamic I think I'd raise the turn but not jam. CIB > Flat > Jam
July 20, 2012
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Hand 1 – I don't know the table dynamics but if there have been many 4bets to this point then flatting AQo from mp is fine imo, it's basically a defence against preflop raising wars. I also don't like the flop raise, it's hard to work out if he then gave up or checked down thinking he had SD value.
Hand 2 – this one is really about dynamics though I agree that on this board there are no semi-bluffs to rep and so his range is pretty much nuts or air, heavily weighted to nuts.
One thing I would add though is that though these hands may well be butchered by Lamb, it's super hard to analyse them without knowing his history with these guys and his thought processes, which may make the plays look much more reasonable (setting up an image, plays based on history, live reads etc etc).
July 3, 2010
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I think hand 1 is terrible because he saw the flop 4 ways and he's raising to basically look for backdoor outs on the turn and then get a free river. There's just no point to doing that. I think the only thing he did correctly in that hand was flat pre.
May 30, 2012
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i mean you dont get #RunlikeBenba for nothing….these hands are super standard for him, he plays omaha mainly just luckboxed the ME last year,,,basically every hand they covered on tuesday has something just horrific happen in it, insane how bad even the “top pros” play in some spots
June 5, 2012
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To be honest, the flop raise with AQ kind of reminded me of the Tom Dwan hand on HSP where he bluffed out Greenstein's AA and Eastgate's 42o on T22 with a flop raise and turn/river barrel. There were, I think, 8 or so people in the pot, making Dwan's raise look ridiculously strong. I'm thinking the Lamb might have been thinking something similar…since his raise with two left to act looks really nutted.
But if he was thinking that, I have no idea why he didn't follow through on turn. Maybe he picked up something on Randall or just lost confidence.
That's the only thing I can think of.
And I can't fathom a reason why he jammed that flop on the AA hand.
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