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bb with JQs, do i call down with trips or at some point see if i'm good??

bjizzle44

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September 21, 2010 - 9:41 am

I'm posting this hand with the results b'cause I'd like to get some info on wether or not do we become calling stations to extract max value here or should we be raising at some point to see where we stand? Villain pots flop, then pots turn. Should I assume after pot size turn bet I'm behind. If we didnt know the hand what ranges can we assign him?

JQd vs KQo

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Absolute Poker No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t50/t100 Blinds – 9 players
Hand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edge

98ECLIPSEGS (UTG+1): t14470 144.70 BBs
IRELANDSGIRL (UTG+2): t15640 156.40 BBs
AREUSCARED17 (MP1): t5717 57.17 BBs
PROFRIPTYED (MP2): t5721 57.21 BBs
FLOPHAPY (CO): t12755 127.55 BBs
WILLDOG (BTN): t8940 89.40 BBs
YJMONKEY (SB): t12614 126.14 BBs
UMGETTNBETTA (BB): t16595 165.95 BBs
DEESTEE111 (UTG): t7050 70.50 BBs

Pre Flop: (t150) UMGETTNBETTA is BB with Q of diamonds J
3 folds, AREUSCARED17 calls t100, 4 folds, UMGETTNBETTA checks

Flop: (t250) 8 of diamonds Q of spades 5 (2 players)
UMGETTNBETTA checks, AREUSCARED17 bets t250, UMGETTNBETTA calls t250

Turn: (t250) Q of clubs (2 players)
UMGETTNBETTA checks, AREUSCARED17 bets t750, UMGETTNBETTA calls t750

River: (t250) T of spades (2 players)
UMGETTNBETTA checks, AREUSCARED17 checks

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September 21, 2010 - 11:24 am

I see alot on UB/AP players dont bet a particular value they just pot and then pot again. They allow the pot button to bet for them. Tbh, I am impressed with how you played b/c with trips I would either raise the turn or bet the river. As played, I prolly woulda bet the river.

I am not the best reference on this but the pot bet (b/c of its automated button) can be utter crap or an actual hand. I tend to associate it with crap but here I obv woulda been wrong. Can some1 shed some light on this??? Please!

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September 21, 2010 - 11:58 am

I would leave out villain's hand anyway … you'll get biased answers based on the results being shown. Guarantee no one folds the Turn here with results hidden but some people could possibly level themselves into telling you to muck to a single Turn bet after seeing you're dominated.

I raise/call the Turn here 100%

Like my name says about cooler spots… f 'em.

In a limped pot worse Qx hands and some random crap can be within villain's range. Just make a note that he limped KQ in mid-position.

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September 21, 2010 - 12:02 pm

BBird40 said:

I see alot on UB/AP players dont bet a particular value they just pot and then pot again. They allow the pot button to bet for them. Tbh, I am impressed with how you played b/c with trips I would either raise the turn or bet the river. As played, I prolly woulda bet the river.

I am not the best reference on this but the pot bet (b/c of its automated button) can be utter crap or an actual hand. I tend to associate it with crap but here I obv woulda been wrong. Can some1 shed some light on this??? Please!

Meh it's situational much like anything else in poker. I pot bet some times … one example would be if I flop TPTK early in an MTT and the flop is multiway.

I'll also pot bet into call stations just because I know they'll call.

A lot of times I see it done at the lower stakes is when the SB or BB flops 2 pair or top pair but the board is either scary or is such that they have reverse implied odds meaning they're not likely to still be good at showdown if their hand is unimproved.

Aside from that all you can do is keep notes when you get to see what they show.

There's no absolute truth here – much like donk leads. Some people do it with draws. Some do it with sets. Some do it with anything in between.

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September 21, 2010 - 12:08 pm

I think I reraise the flop as I am looking to punish anyone sitting with two spades. I am presuming that would get called, so I would probably try a second hard barrel on the turn and when the last spade hit, I think that would be it for me, but that is my take. I tend to play fast and hard so that is my two cents.

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September 21, 2010 - 12:29 pm

FkCoolers said:

BBird40 said:

I see alot on UB/AP players dont bet a particular value they just pot and then pot again. They allow the pot button to bet for them. Tbh, I am impressed with how you played b/c with trips I would either raise the turn or bet the river. As played, I prolly woulda bet the river.

I am not the best reference on this but the pot bet (b/c of its automated button) can be utter crap or an actual hand. I tend to associate it with crap but here I obv woulda been wrong. Can some1 shed some light on this??? Please!

Meh it's situational much like anything else in poker. I pot bet some times … one example would be if I flop TPTK early in an MTT and the flop is multiway.
I'll also pot bet into call stations just because I know they'll call.

A lot of times I see it done at the lower stakes is when the SB or BB flops 2 pair or top pair but the board is either scary or is such that they have reverse implied odds meaning they're not likely to still be good at showdown if their hand is unimproved.

Aside from that all you can do is keep notes when you get to see what they show.

There's no absolute truth here – much like donk leads. Some people do it with draws. Some do it with sets. Some do it with anything in between.

Thx FK…valuable info imo

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