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July 24, 2017
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Hi TPE Nation,
First Forum Post for awhile.
I am playing a $30 1R/1A live tournament at a local venue where the standard is somewhat soft. We are down to 3 tables from a starting of 6 tables. Overall, the play is poor so plenty of “spots”, however the structure gets pretty bad as the longer the tournament goes.
Villian – He is new to the table but i have been playing with him for a couple of years now and he actually won the NZ Poker Championship last year. He is pretty loose and aggressive. I think preflop is his biggest mistake as he often calls too many hands. He is not the worse post flop and won’t go too mental but still has seen play pretty poorly. One of the better players in this tournament though.
Blinds 2000/4000 no ante
So anyway, the blinds are at 2000/4000 and i have an average stack of $145k. It folds around to the cut off (villian) who raises to 10,500. Fold. I have K
J in the small blind and raise to 32,000. Fold. Villain tank calls.
Flop 10 4
5
(68,000)
I C-bet for 24,000.
The reason i c-bet is that i think i do this with all my 3-betting range. There are alot of turn cards i can continue on and i also feel this should fold out a ton of hands that he would call pre-flop with.
Villian.. tank calls.
Turn 8 (112,000)
Hero?
I have 89,000 left.
Shove – So I think he can still have a wide range here on a the turn. I block alot of his better 10x combinations that he could call pre-flop, this should get him to fold most A4,A5 etc hands. But.. I only rep JJ+ or A10 here imo for value. So i only have a pretty small value range of hands and he could talk him self into a call as i have shown bluffs with him before in previous games.
Check – Basically giving up on the hand. I still only have K high and the board does not hit my 3 betting range. If he is going to quite wide pre-flop then will he be sticky with 3rd pair here? Is the standard line here to check and give up, still have 22bbs left.
Was pretty confused what the best line is here given that this is the best turn card for me. Obviously any heart or A,K,Q,J,9 i was going to jam.
Would like to know your thoughts?
July 12, 2013
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I don’t care for 3b pre OOP. We can be well ahead of him and don’t mind realizing my equity. If he folds lots to 3b then perhaps not so bad. No need to put ourselves in a spot like this 3b and leaving such a low SPR. As played I like the CB sizing and a really good board to CB. Problem is SPR doesn’t leave us much wiggle room because pot is inflated from the 3b pre. There’s a reasonable chance we could be ahead here. But it could be close… If turn was a heart I rip. But Im not sure what I do on this turn… Tank call on flop sort of tells us he has to have equity. Not sure what I do here though…
June 2, 2013
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3bet smaller pre ~23k, since you are oop, ip i rather call and play post flop with it.
I wouldn´t cbet that flop, V wont fold most of his range, like AK AQ, pocket pairs. SPR is too bad too…
You can try a delay cbet depending on V´s check otf, and the card ott, maybe shove some river as well.
July 12, 2013
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almofadinhas said
3bet smaller pre ~23k, since you are oop, ip i rather call and play post flop with it.I wouldn´t cbet that flop, V wont fold most of his range, like AK AQ, pocket pairs. SPR is too bad too…
You can try a delay cbet depending on V´s check otf, and the card ott, maybe shove some river as well.
I play situations a bit V dependent (EXPLOITAVE) But it’s tough to 3b at all w this SPR + relative position and have a plan past that. If we’re not CB this flop its hard to think of a better flop to CB. I would really want to know Vs turn fold to cbet is if I had to make a critical decision like this. Point being, is if I played the hand (right or wrong)…. I flat Pre… Flop donk, and turn barrel all my good cards. Anyone have an opinion on that line?
June 2, 2013
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This flop is too dry to cbet imo, we only represent a narrow range of overpair, maybe AQ+ depending on hero´s image, deeper we can try to find more fold equity, but with spr1 ott I don´t think we have much fold equity.
Not sure about donking flop and turn on this flop. What you are representing? Is V capable of fold?
May 1, 2016
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almofadinhas said
3bet smaller pre ~23k, since you are oop, ip i rather call and play post flop with it.I wouldn´t cbet that flop, V wont fold most of his range, like AK AQ, pocket pairs. SPR is too bad too…
I usually agree with you bud, but this time I’m in discord!
I think if you are going to 3bet preflop, it should be BIGGER from OOP, not smaller. He made it 32, and honestly, given how little respect SB 3bets get in live games and given the stack sizes, I would be tempted to make it even bigger preflop, somewhere in the 35-40k neighborhood. Then, it sets up a slightly bigger than pot shove OTF, which I think most Vs at this level will have a tougher time calling with hands like AK, AQ than they would calling a standard cbet in this position.
With that being said, while I’m a huge fan of 3betting hands just like this from OOP, with this stack size I think this hand works better as a call preflop.
Also, I think cbetting this flop as played is mandatory. You can profitably jam half the deck on the turn. In this situation, I can be a bit weak live, so I might check and give up on the turn, but I don’t mind a shove, as so much of V range is likely ace high. However, some of the hands that do calling you (JT, KT) have you crushed, so there is that…
July 12, 2013
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rbbeagles13 said
almofadinhas said
3bet smaller pre ~23k, since you are oop, ip i rather call and play post flop with it.I wouldn´t cbet that flop, V wont fold most of his range, like AK AQ, pocket pairs. SPR is too bad too…
I usually agree with you bud, but this time I’m in discord!
I think if you are going to 3bet preflop, it should be BIGGER from OOP, not smaller. He made it 32, and honestly, given how little respect SB 3bets get in live games and given the stack sizes, I would be tempted to make it even bigger preflop, somewhere in the 35-40k neighborhood. Then, it sets up a slightly bigger than pot shove OTF, which I think most Vs at this level will have a tougher time calling with hands like AK, AQ than they would calling a standard cbet in this position.
With that being said, while I’m a huge fan of 3betting hands just like this from OOP, with this stack size I think this hand works better as a call preflop.
Also, I think cbetting this flop as played is mandatory. You can profitably jam half the deck on the turn. In this situation, I can be a bit weak live, so I might check and give up on the turn, but I don’t mind a shove, as so much of V range is likely ace high. However, some of the hands that do calling you (JT, KT) have you crushed, so there is that…
Well said.
I think if you look at what V has to continue with to be anywhere near profitable vs a turn jam, (What does he do w 66 77 88 99 KQ KJ K10 QJ etc) or flop call, it plays as a hand we can donk, jam turn. That’s not to say it’s how I’d play it. But that flop, although undynamic and dry, reps a such a small part of his range I wouldn’t worry much about what I’m repping. My concern would be… Can he call proper the times I have AK AQ 99 88 77 and the rest of the marginal hands. I’m not at home right now but I’m sure flopzilla gives us a reasonable range equity advantage vs him. And only because our hand is as strong as it is and we’re under repped.
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August 25, 2012
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I strongly dislike jamming this turn, you block many of villain’s float-type hands on the flop and there’s a 0% chance he folds a T here. I think it’s a give-up spot.
Having said that, I think the 3-bet preflop is pretty marginal. At this stack size with a hand like KJs you risk not being able to realize your equity if villain 4-bets all-in, which is definitely damaging, and with there being no antes there’s very little incentive for you to be 3-betting wide here. I think flatting preflop is better.
With reference to lapp3r30’s suggestion of leading flop if we flat pre, I don’t like that much either. It’s not a strong enough flop for a SB flatting range – we’re likely to still be at a range disadvantage – and thus we simply don’t rep enough hands.
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