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Bad shove?

StudentVisa

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August 23, 2010 - 2:48 am

Full Tilt Poker $35,000 Guarantee No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t1500/t3000 Blinds + t400 – 8 players
Hand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edge

supertramp86 (BTN): BB = 34.7, t104073
emrmoss (SB): BB = 28.0, t84052
natdog100 (BB): BB = 20.3, t61004
fitballa (UTG): BB = 56.0, t167900
hotrocaa (UTG+1): BB = 75.2, t225675
shoot2kill8 (MP1): BB = 17.0, t50951
tybosthe1 (MP2): BB = 12.0, t36140
Earl_62 (CO): BB = 87.0, t261092

Pre Flop: (t7700) natdog100 is BB with 5 of spades A
5 folds, supertramp86 calls t3000, emrmoss raises to t10650, natdog100 raises to t60604 all in, 1 fold, emrmoss calls t49954

Flop: (t127408) 4 of clubs Q of diamonds 6

Turn: (t127408) Q of clubs

River: (t127408) 9 of clubs

SittingDucks

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August 23, 2010 - 5:59 am

Yeah don't really like it. People normally isolate much tighter out of position, so it's more likely he picked up a hand than when he was in position.

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August 23, 2010 - 1:15 pm

Even if there is no weak butt limp, without checking the numbers first, this shove has got to be big +ev.

SB could be raising with any two bec it's such a perfect steal spot, esp with the added limp 3k.

These are the kind of plays that I sometimes shy away from in the lower levels if the original raiser is a lagtard gambler that dislikes folding with marginal cards.

If he had a premium, I think u feel gd about your play and move on.

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August 23, 2010 - 1:26 pm

looks as if the sb is trying to take advantage of a button limp so there is nothing wrong with your shove here. The 2 card range of the raiser is very wide with the button limp so i would definitely 3 bet jam your 20 bb stack in this spot. glgl

pedactor

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August 23, 2010 - 2:16 pm

ttwist said:

looks as if the sb is trying to take advantage of a button limp so there is nothing wrong with your shove here. The 2 card range of the raiser is very wide with the button limp so i would definitely 3 bet jam your 20 bb stack in this spot. glgl

Would this not be based on read/stats of the player? The sb only has 28 bb to begin here as well….not that he can't do this with marginal hands, but can we safely generalize in this situation?

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August 23, 2010 - 3:56 pm

Thanks for the replys. Yeah he had 77 and snap called the shove. I had already made up in my mind i was shoving here from a button raise or limp. The small blind raise through me off a bit and I decided to make the play anyway. I dont think I had many hands on him so didnt have much of a read.