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Bad raise, weird spot...
almofadinhas
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April 21, 2016 - 9:37 pm
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Merge, $6.60 Buy-in (600/1,200 blinds, 120 ante) No Limit Hold’em Tournament, 7 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager – The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: 30,877 (25.7 bb)
BB: 24,261 (20.2 bb)
MP1: 6,700 (5.6 bb)
MP2: 17,060 (14.2 bb)
MP3: 19,799 (16.5 bb)
CO: 8,680 (7.2 bb)
Hero (BTN): 23,924 (19.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with Kspade Jheart
4 folds, Hero raises to 2,400, SB folds, BB calls 1,200

Flop: (6,240) Jclub 4diamond Qclub (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 2,885, BB calls 2,885

Turn: (12,010) 3diamond (2 players)
BB bets 18,856 and is all-in, Hero folds

Results: 12,010 pot
Final Board: Jclub 4diamond Qclub 3diamond
BB mucked and won 12,010 (6,605 net)
Hero mucked Kspade Jheart and lost (-5,405 net)

Semi final table. This table have being pretty passive, I decided to mini raise from BTN KJo, BB call me, on that flop I planned to cbet small, and then check turn and river if I didn´t improve, maybe call a small bet later. But V calls my cbet, and insta jam on the turn, I put V on a flush draw, but was not sure. Thoughts?

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I don’t think this is a “bad raise”. I’d say this is played correctly. KJ is a really good hand to raise on the button so it completely justifies the open raise. C-bet is also ok on that board (although I assume a check behind is ok to since hands FD and SD are not going to fold to a cbet) and once the villain goes crazy and overbets the turn I don’t think we can be ahead, I don’t see him doing that with an FD. Maybe he had J3 or Q3 or he improved to a combo in the turn (56 clubs).

In any case, the turn is a fold to me but I don’t think you played this hand badly at all.

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April 22, 2016 - 9:01 am
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Yeah, the raise preflop is 100% necessary and profitable. It actually might be better just to shove for 20bb there since KJo is somewhere in the middle of your range and is a little too strong to raise-fold but too weak to raise-call. Don’t assume your raise was bad just because you didn’t win the hand.

I’d probably prefer to check that flop more often than betting – there are a lot of draws out there with which villain can check-jam, and if you’re betting the flop then it’s hard to find a way to bet-fold there. Betting isn’t bad though, and against passive players it could be better than checking.

On the turn it’s really a question of what hands villain would actually play this way that you’re behind – a strong Queen would surely either shove preflop or check-raise the flop (or maybe lead out), and pocket fours would likely do the same. QJ would likely check-raise flop plus you block the J, J4 and J3 are unlikely but feasible depending on how wide villain defends the BB, and Q4/Q3 the same if villain doesn’t check-raise those on the flop. 43 is very unlikely.

It’s definitely possible that villain can have a Qx of diamonds hand here, but there are only a few combinations of those out there. There are also some combos of hands that had a straight draw on the flop and turned a flush draw that could play this way, but those are slightly less common, and there are some Jx of diamonds that could do this also.

I think the whole hand boils down to how you expect villain to play their draws on the flop – if they’re check-shoving all their decent draws, we can probably bet and call it off reasonably comfortably, but that also means that their range on this turn card is a bit stronger since it includes fewer draws. If villain is playing a lot of their flop draws more passively, they can have a higher % of combo draws on this turn card that might shove after picking up a flush draw, and that makes calling this bet more acceptable.

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