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January 29, 2015
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My first post and I'm new so apologies if there is not enough info or it's not organized right.
This hand was from a live MTT, $350 Buy In. Blinds were 4,000/8,000 w/1,000 Ante. 8-handed. At this point we were already ITM, 35 players left. I had about 120,000 in chips (15BB), was UTG w/ AcJc. The stacks were very shallow. The average stack at the table was about 20BB. I raised to 18K. Flated by UTG+2 and the button. The UTG+2 player was the most active at the table. He was either opening or calling an open 70% of the time and trying to out play people post when he missed. The button was on the tighter side but he wasn't showing down any hands cause he would just shove on the flop or turn and get a fold. Each of these players had about 160,000 (20BB). To the flop with 74,000 in the middle. The flop is Ad 7d 4c. I bet 35K. UTG+2 fold and the button jams.
I didn't think my hand was strong enough pre to jam. With the table so shallow and my position I think I'm only getting called by better. I had taken a lot of hands out of both of their ranges because they just flated so I'm betting for value. The bet on the flop was committing me but now I wonder if I had bet maybe 25K, because we were so shallow, I would have got the same information and could have considered folding or is this just a spot where I have to go with my hand against his range.
Thoughts and comments appreciated.
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December 6, 2012
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I like the pre-flop, probably I'd just raise to 16K but that's a small difference. I don't think there's any sense in bet-folding the flop. If you aren't going to be happy about getting action, and I can understand why you might not be, then don't bet. I'm not saying you're going to fold at any point, because probably you won't, but at least when you check you give people with worse hands the chance to put money into the pot, which they'll have a harder time doing if you bet. It's not about getting information, it's about recognizing that even if you're committed, how the money goes in matters a good deal.
January 29, 2015
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Foucault said:
I like the pre-flop, probably I'd just raise to 16K but that's a small difference. I don't think there's any sense in bet-folding the flop. If you aren't going to be happy about getting action, and I can understand why you might not be, then don't bet. I'm not saying you're going to fold at any point, because probably you won't, but at least when you check you give people with worse hands the chance to put money into the pot, which they'll have a harder time doing if you bet. It's not about getting information, it's about recognizing that even if you're committed, how the money goes in matters a good deal.
Thanks for the advice. I didn't consider check-calling or check-shoving but I see what you mean about just checking if I don't want the action. I was pretty confident I was ahead on the flop because I just didn't have better A's in his range except maybe AQ. I didn't mean I was betting for information just that if I had bet a little smaller he would have still shoved and maybe I could have found a fold leaving myself 10BB cause the more I tanked the more I thought I was beat against this player.
January 20, 2014
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Yeah when you get to the flop, and you spike your Ace, folding here is not an option. You hit your hand, you had 15bb to start, the money is going in the middle. Especially when you said: “The button was on the tighter side but he wasn't showing down any hands cause he would just shove on the flop or turn and get a fold.”
I really like what Andrew said about checking to try and induce a worse hand to bet. Maybe he will fire a bet in there with 88-KK? If he does, then you are winning more money when you have him beat, and losing the same amount when he has you beat. By betting the flop you give worse hands a chance to fold.
Thanks for the post!
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