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Bad call, marginal call, or good call?
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You’re at an important final table. You are the chip leader, with the second stack (a very strong player, last year’s winner) on your immediate left. He may be opening light, trying to take a table-captain role.

Blinds 100k/200k, 30k ante, 10 players. Second stack opens UTG to 460k, and it is folded to you in the big blind. You have J7o, and have to call 260k out of your 3.8M stack, with just over 1M already in the pot. Should you be enticed by the 4:1 pot odds to call, or fold because the hand is junk, his range is strong, and you are out of position?

Blinds 100k / 200k, 30k ante

UTG (2.8M stack) raises to 460k

folds to…

BB (3.8M stack, 1,060,000 in pot) with J7o

I know both may be bad, but is a raise better than a call here? I’m thinking no, because stacks aren’t deep enough.

I am pretty sure a call is good here with any pocket pair, or a suited connector-type hand, but J7o is obviously an insta-fold in most situations.

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For what its worth, I’m thinking it is either a bad call or a marginal call. Pretty sure it is not standard, but I have a lot to learn.

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I think I am folding here mainly due to the reasons you have said. Bad hand and OOP. How do you feel about 3-betting light to pot size or about 1.1M? If you ask me, I like the 3-bet better than I like the call, if you think he UTG is just trying to be table captain.. 

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Honestly the more I think about it, the more sure I am that it should be a fold. A call is probably the worst of the three options. I initially didn’t realize how much of my stack that raise represented. I had been on a bit of a heater, so I had a lot of chips in front of me and didn’t realize that even though I was chip leader, I was still short stacked. (I was also tired, unaccustomed to the chip denominations, and experiencing a bit of run-good tilt.)

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Standard fold.

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A good player is not going to open wide enough UTG for 3-betting what is essentially a random hand to be profitable. You can’t just “try to be table captain” with 9 players still to act behind you. He might widen his range slightly, but that doesn’t mean you can just 3-bet whatever you want. Likewise, you might be able to 3-bet a slightly wider range than you otherwise would, but it’s not a binary thing, like he’s either “just making a play” or he “has it”. He has a range, which includes some hands that will fold to a 3-bet and some that won’t, and you need to construct your own ranges accordingly.

I also think calling is not good, because an UTG range is too strong for your hand to realize equity well. But it’s better than 3-betting.

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you are holding a marginal hand out of position vs a very good player against based on your description you do not like to play post flop at a table with 7 spots.

 

all these things should be more than enough arguments for a fold.

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I say fold.  Why get involved with a guy with a ton of chips with a marginal hand OOP.

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assuming it’s a 10 handed table and not 10 left and 5 on 2 tables….it’s a fold.  Like foucault said…it’s doubtful he’s opening a wide range here…and i say that because ur in the bb.  He probably expects you to play more hands in ur bb than usual with ur stack…so he shouldn’t be opening too too wide utg.

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Folding >>> Calling >>>>>>>>>>> 3-betting

And the gap between folding and calling is pretty big. You should be defending a reasonable number of flop-friendly hands in this spot – J7s would probably be okay – but J7o is one notch away from being pretty much pure trash. No reason to get involved with it in a spot where ICM is going to matter. Especially when villain didn’t even minraise, so your odds are slightly worse.

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