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jshilling09
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August 4, 2010 - 6:25 pm
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I figure he is shoving any two, as I would be.  Don't have a lot of hands on this guy, he just got moved to my table, and I was like 12 tabling so I didn't have a read on him.

Poker Stars $11 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t400/t800 Blinds + t50 – 7 players
Hand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edge

jshilling09 (BB): BB = 7.2, t5754
Bartys (UTG): BB = 11.9, t9487
t�rsten (UTG+1): BB = 23.1, t18470
GoJayGo (MP): BB = 9.1, t7246
makkie21 (CO): BB = 20.5, t16361
taket82 (BTN): BB = 7.4, t5925
Jetiberlin (SB): BB = 5.3, t4257

Pre Flop: (t1550) jshilling09 is BB with 6 of spades Q of diamonds
5 folds, Jetiberlin raises to t4207 all in, jshilling09 calls t3407

Flop: (t8764) 5 of clubs A of clubs T of diamonds (2 players – 1 is all in)

Turn: (t8764) 7 of diamonds (2 players – 1 is all in)

River: (t8764) Q of spades (2 players – 1 is all in)

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August 4, 2010 - 7:28 pm
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fold and save what you have left for shoving imo

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Q6 is probably ahead of his “any 2 cards” range….but marginal call. I fold.

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would never call in that spot. my thinking is anyone who allows there stack to drop to that many bbs will definitely wait til 5.3 bbs to catch k10 or k9 or any ace. look for a better spot

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RonFezBuddy said:

fold and save what you have left for shoving imo


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I ain't folding for a 5bb shove, no way Confused

 

INTERRUPTED!  Enumerate All equities unreliable, use Monte Carlo

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

   6,039,296,208  games    18.433 secs   327,635,013  games/sec

Board:
Dead:  

    equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied    
Hand 0:     48.901%      46.86%     02.06%         2829712797     124401038.00   { random }
Hand 1:     51.099%      49.05%     02.06%         2962493639     124401038.00   { Q6o }

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August 6, 2010 - 2:20 pm
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SittingDucks said:

I ain't folding for a 5bb shove, no way Confused

 

INTERRUPTED!  Enumerate All equities unreliable, use Monte Carlo

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

   6,039,296,208  games    18.433 secs   327,635,013  games/sec

Board:
Dead:  

    equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied    
Hand 0:     48.901%      46.86%     02.06%         2829712797     124401038.00   { random }
Hand 1:     51.099%      49.05%     02.06%         2962493639     124401038.00   { Q6o }


 

I think that is kind of a rash generalization to make. If I was much deeper I would be inclined to agree, but having 7BB myself I am going to be hard pressed to want to shove over/call a short stack shove as my ATC shove against his ATC shove is not the opportunity I am looking for. I much prefer to open shove and have a deeper stack call me with crap then get into a coin-flip with another desperate player or open shove and have the remainder fold (although I am not really sure how much Fold Equity I really have at 7bb's.

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