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November 21, 2013
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22 dollar 6 max tourney.
UTG running 39/35 over 220 hands (including full ring)
CO running 75/27 , 3b 5 , 0 Fold to CBet over 50 hands (all 6 max)
Btn running 29/22 , 3b 25 over 100 hands ( all 6 max)
Hero running 26/22, 3b 10 , no 4bets over 50 hands
Im fairly new to 6 max so any and all advice is appreciated. Is the 4 bet a bad move in that spot? Too much? Flatting seems bad in that spot but we are hella deep and like I said Im new to the 6 max dynamic, so let me have it. Thanks.
Winning Poker Network – 40/80 NL (6 max) – Holdem – 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: …..racker.com
SB: 263.7 BB
Hero (BB): 131.33 BB
UTG: 264.48 BB
CO: 129.63 BB
BTN: 89.75 BB
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9s 9h
UTG raises to 3 BB, CO calls 3 BB, BTN raises to 11.25 BB, fold, Hero raises to 27.75 BB, fold, CO calls 24.75 BB, fold
Flop : (70.25 BB, 2 players) 6s 4c As
Hero????
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April 6, 2010
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I don't really like it this deep. Think I would just flat with the assumption that the CO is also going to flat a huge % of the time. I guess this means we are pretty much playing out hand for set value, but I don't mind that so much here.
November 22, 2013
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I agree with Killingbird. 4betting with 99 with more than 100 bigs puts you in a really tough spot. If you don't hit a set you end up with a basically marginal hand in a massive pot. On the other hand, you don't quite have the odds to setmine unless you are certain you can stack someone as I generally like to setmine only when I have close to 20X the raise amount. Tough spot. As insane as this sounds, would you ever consider a fold there? Given the action, there is a real chance you are against an overpair from someone and overcards from the others.
May 30, 2012
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Im only calling there to bink the 9 or folding. I think you are deep enough to set mine, but at the same time I don't hate a fold. 4 betting that deep just puts you in a tough spot post and I would avoid those situations if possible. With the villains sizing it feels like a broadway hand, but if it is AA-JJ, you are going to even find yourself in a worst position when a 8 high flop comes out and not knowing where you are in the hand.
September 5, 2013
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Kinda like the 4b vs this kind of players, BU 3b is probably very wide I and don't really mind playing a flop HU vs a huge fish.
Normally I would cbet my entire range in a 4b pot with a A high flop bc hero's perceived range hits very hard on this board, but vs this villain I don't mind checking for pot control here if he plays passive postflop
March 26, 2013
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I’m not sure I like a 4b here for a couple of reasons:
1. 99 is really not that strong deep stacked against multiple villains.
2. 3 villains in the hand have aggressive and/or call station type preflop stats so chances of getting called/reraised are high here.
3. When get called it is probably heads up versus a loose call station type opponent oop so winning with a Cbet will be tough.
Equally, I’m not sure calling is great here either due to:
1. Set mining odds oop are pretty weak.
2. We are not closing the action so have to fold if there is further action behind us.
3. Button can be squeezing but he has put in 11bbs out of a 90bbs stack which makes me think he’s raising more for value.
Personally I think a fold is actually the best option in this spot. If we were on the button then I think the 4b becomes more attractive but still don’t think I would cold call a 3b in front of me in the knowledge other villains could blow me off the hand fairly lightly when weakness is sensed.
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August 25, 2012
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I don't think this is a good spot to 4bet a hand like 99. For 90bb it's tough to imagine even getting it in with TT or JJ, let alone 99, so if we're going to 4bet here, it should be with a hand we want to get it in with, or a hand that we are comfortable folding to a 5bet. However, those bluff hands should also be hands that flop decently well, since our being out of position is going to mean that we do get flatted sometimes. If I felt like it was a good spot to have a 4bet bluff range then the first hands I'd include would be hands like A5s, KTs, AJo – hands that aren't strong enough to flat but have decent blocker value and won't be too tough to play if we get one caller.
I think it's a fine spot to just call with 99, since the caller is going to overcall a lot of the time and almost never backraise. It wouldn't make too much sense as a spot for him to flat a strong hand, so we can afford to assume he won't be backraising often. We're not exclusively looking to flop a set, since the button's range isn't exclusively composed of strong hands – he can certainly have a decent number of bluffs in his range here. However, we're obviously not just going to stack off as soon as we flop an overpair, either.
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August 25, 2012
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Forgot to say, I'd probably bet about 18-20bb on the flop and then be more or less done with the hand if I got called – still leaves us 80bb when that happens, and check/calling a bet of any size could leave us in some awful spots since CO's range appears to be so wide, not to mention the fact that he's likely to size his bets bigger than most if he's a splashy kind of player.
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