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May 31, 2012
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Aussie Millions Main Event 10k.
200/400 with 50 ante, Cutoff a young good player with good lines miniraises with around 38k stack.
Me on the button with around 48k calls with AJ. You 3bet this some times?
I was calling hoping SB would shove light.
Sb has 7k and calls the raise.
BB Folds.
AzJs10s
Check, cutoff bets around 1,4k. I call.
Sb folds.
Turn 4x.
Cutoff Checks, I bet 2,5k into around allmost 6k pott.
He check calls.
River 8x.
Cutoff checks. I bet 6k into about 10k.
The stack sizes isnt 100% right all the time. But it was live and i have a hard time getting the right pottsize all the time.
So after i bet the river he checkshoves for 32k. I had something like 40k left in the stack at that time.
I cant se him checkcalling with Q9 on the turn so i kinda rule out that. He might have KQ. But i think he would barrel that on turn most of the time.
Its possible he has 79s but i think he will barrel that most of them time aswell.
So what would you have done here?
May 30, 2012
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so gross AA/JJ/1010/KQ. i dont understand his b c/c c/shove line, like its doesnt really rep any value hands but it seems like a super weird and unlikely spot for him to be bluffing. can he really jam J10 A10 for value because i dont think so.
i think its a fold
June 1, 2012
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Kinda of crap spot, I feel if he had something like AA/JJ/TT he would take a different line.
With such a drawy flop, he could bet possibly more rather than around half pot with one of these hands, and barrel again on the blank turn, considering you could be floating with anything from two pair/top pair/combo draws/straight draws.
Like I don’t think it’s the best board to be slow playing one of these hands, and I would assume he would barrel the two pair/combo draw type hands mentioned above if held them himself.
For him to check on this board type of board then c/j,I would only feel comfortable following this line with KQ.
The fact that you bet turn, kinda rules out flush draws and straight draws some portion of the time as he could assume you would take a free card on the turn (I obviously could be completely wrong with this assumption), your range seems like ax/two pair/KQ/draws as well.
As duggs said, I can’t really seeing him do this with worse two pairs and does seem like he is unlikely to be bluffing.
Interested to hear other comments
June 22, 2012
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Agree with folding
Too many variables that point to you being behind. It is a weird line, but I think its a fold here.
June 7, 2012
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I think on such a wet brd I would just check back the river. That said, I think a fold is best but I think we are getting blown off the best hand.
May 30, 2012
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river is a pretty easy value bet? and i really dont think he bluff shoves or vbets worse here
October 22, 2012
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weird shove, but i think i would have folded too.
i would only consider a call if villain has shown potential for crazy moves.
about preflop: that deep and in that pos i also just call AJ most of the time
river: i think your valuebet is good, there are so many hands that you beat in his range which pay you
KQ: if he has kq he would be a very bad player imo, why would he check the turn with the fd onboard wouldnt make much sense.
Q9 would make much sense
May 31, 2012
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Badabing: Isnt it kinda bad for him to checkcall turn with Q9?
I have such a hard time seeing anyone taking this line like C turn then C-shove river with AA,JJ,1010. I mean i have never taken that line with those hands.
Because if I would have a draw. I guess i could check back alot of times on the turn. ANd then just fold to bets on the river if i miss.
Maybe i dont mix it up enough. But still. I have a hard time seeing that this is a set.
I dont know if its allowed to post. But this is the villian:
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October 6, 2010
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haha i know tom, he is a friend of a friend.
this is such a tough spot. it seems like he could possibly be turning some hand with weak showdown value into a bluff, like Jx or Tx or something. possibly the only hand i can see him doing this with that you beat.
July 3, 2010
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What hands are calling our river bet size that we beat? There's maybe like 2 hands that do it … JT and AT. And I don't expect those to take this line postflop very often unless they think we're really agg and will fold to bets, but bet as bluffs.
May 31, 2012
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hehe, Australia is small Benny 🙂
He is really good,right?
In the actually hand i called. I got some kinda feeling when i looked at him, and when i was thinking it throu that he wasnt superstrong.
It might have been wrong in a game-theory since. But i just got the feeling i was good here.
So after som minutes of tanking i called and he shove A6o.
October 6, 2010
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yeah right, looks like he did turn a made hand into a bluff. i guess he thought you would be folding just about everything except sets here, and the fact that you tanked for so long mean it was probably a good play by him.
also a very good call from you, as it is super tough here.
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December 6, 2012
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My first instinct was to fold, but that's only because I think most people don't have the cojones to c/shove river on a bluff this deep, not because I think it's a bad play. This may well be the top of your range, at least from his perspective. Probably you 3-bet AA/JJ/TT preflop most of the time, and with straights or sets he may expect larger bet sizes from you (and FWIW I would like slightly larger sizing on turn/river with this hand as well, and with (semi)bluffs).
Preflop is close. I usually default to 3betting this vs described Villain, but trying to entice SB to shove is reason enough to flat it.
I agree that this would be an awfully weird line for him to take with either a flopped or rivered monster, and that's the main reason you can feel comfortable value betting the river. Even if he doesn't call with worse, he just might shove 😉
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