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November 12, 2013
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Villain is a known good reg. Seemed to be opening in ep quite a bit this tournament but not stupidly.
WPN, 350/700 blinds, 75 ante No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. Hero (CO): 48,888 (69.8 bb) BTN: 5,131 (7.3 bb) SB: 17,462 (24.9 bb) BB: 32,739 (46.8 bb) UTG+2: 21,955 (31.4 bb) MP1: 31,325 (44.8 bb) MP2: 69,725 (99.6 bb) MP3: 19,551 (27.9 bb) Preflop: Hero is CO with Jd Ks UTG+2 raises to 1,400, MP1 calls 1,400, 2 folds, Hero calls 1,400, 3 folds Flop: (5,850) Qd 2d 9s (3 players) UTG+2 bets 2,255, MP1 folds, Hero calls 2,255 Turn: (10,360) 3d (2 players) UTG+2 bets 3,454, Hero???
I floated the flop planning to take it down a decent amount of the time on the turn if checked to. Or bink obv 🙂 . This seems like too good of a scare card to pass up on the turn. While it gives me a lot more equity, I hate just calling unless I plan on shoving the river as a bluff when I whiff.
February 9, 2014
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Julius187 said:
Don't really have much history with villain, he just got to the table a few hands ago, hand prior to this one he had opened blind v blind, I defended, and folded to a flop bet. I kind of wanted to establish a precedent that he is not going to be able to just come and run the table over. On the turn, should I be shoving, folding, or just calling? I feel like flop sizing could've been bigger, as I'd like this sizing more on a dry flop.
Merge – $30+$3|<> NL – Holdem – 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4UTG+1 (UTG+1): 2,940 (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
UTG+2 (UTG+2): 6,158 (VPIP: 24.19, PFR: 9.68, 3Bet Preflop: 3.23, Hands: 62)
MP (MP): 5,307 (VPIP: 10.96, PFR: 5.48, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 74)
MP+1 (MP+1): 11,169 (VPIP: 36.36, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 11)
CO (CO): 11,410 (VPIP: 15.49, PFR: 5.63, 3Bet Preflop: 3.23, Hands: 71)
BTN (BTN): 32,962 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
Hero (SB): 13,155
BB (BB): 9,876 (VPIP: 24.00, PFR: 17.57, 3Bet Preflop: 2.94, Hands: 75)
UTG (UTG): 5,942 (VPIP: 13.51, PFR: 9.59, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 74)9 players post ante of 15, Hero posts SB 75, BB posts BB 150
Dealt to Hero: A
7
fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 300, Hero raises to 780, fold, BTN calls 480
Flop (1,845, 2 players): 4
T
Hero bets 675, BTN calls 675Turn (3,195, 2 players): 8
Hero bets 1,850, BTN raises to 3,750, Hero calls 1,900River (10,695, 2 players): 9
Hero checks, BTN bets 8,021, foldBTN wins 10,695
Interesting spot as you guys are absurdly deep. Everything preflop is fine, but on the flop you pointed out we need to make it bigger and you are spot on. We need to begin to build this pot based on the effective stack. I would go at least half pot to 2/3 on flop in order to set up big barrel on turn and maybe river. Its a lot harder to call massive turn bet with 1 pair when we are showing clear strength. The turn seems good, but once he raises i just puke on my keyboard.
I love how you play turn thoough as I think we are “punting” if we shove over his raise here. The 8 is a pretty bad card for him to raise complete air and with no read I think calling and folding river(if we brick) is best. You have so many chips even if you miss and the value of being in the tournament still is very crucial.
Well played my dude
February 9, 2014
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loxxii said:
I think the open and cbet are fine.
When he raises, I think he's doing it because I c-bet so small, I'd been active, and I'd c-bet this flop regardless of my hand. I figured he'd just call with a K. He doesnt have KK or TT since I'd been active. He's repping 55, two pair, or QJ. He has these or pure air. No marginal hand would check raise me on the flop. I'd expect his strong hands to bet on the turn and I'd happily fold or take it away from his air if he checks.
When he checks the turn, I barrel to get him off of the air he raised flop with. I figured he has to give me credit for at least a K or A. When he just calls the turn on this wet board, I know he isn't strong. I figured he either turned a heart draw with his air or he hit that A. Im leaning towards the A because a lot of people would shove turn with the heart draw.
When he bets small on the river, I definitely dont think he has the hearts. I figured I could get him off of a weak ace with a shove since he put that scared little blocking bet out there.
Apparently my soul is an open book.
gg.
When thinking about calling a check raise i think it is important to have good back door equity when we have no pair or draw. You have this with the backdoor flush and straight draw. However, given the effective stack i would just lean towards a fold as I prefer to be 40bbs+ when floating complete air because i like to set up massive bets on later streets. Just my preference to be able to put max pressure on villain.
—I do think he can have kq or kj here because you have been so active and check raising a good king(and getting it in) against an agg opponent is a fine and undervalued line. Stacks are set up perfect fo this.
On turn, when he checks, what are we repping? A floated aq or aj, a10, and jq to name a few. I dont hate your bet at all, but i think the better line may be to check back and put in a river bet checked to or possibly a massive reshove if he leads. We gain so much information if he checks river as his range becomes way clearer as a weak 1 pair hand or complete air. The more info, the easier decision we will have.
I like that you are thinking outside of the box Los as it shows massive improvements in your game. The more we stray from ABC poker the higher our ROI gets. When makings these plays it is always nice to have a beefier stack in order to still have chips if we are wrong and in order to put max pressure on later streets. 40+ FTW
good stuff
February 14, 2014
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Hi, I have a general question re: bankroll mgmt with live poker
I learned to play MTTs online then I moved to US and switched to live play. Last year I went to the WSOP and cashed in one of the $1000 tournaments fifth time playing live with anyone. but at the point where I should have become more aggressive… ffear of bubbling in first big tourney stopped me. I'm going to vegas for the WsOP circuit at caesars. seems a waste of time to go in smaller tourneys with quick structures and low buy ins but by the time i travel to vegasget hotels etc its a lot more expensive than just the buy in. but i live in a state without casinos and cant make money online in the US cuz of where i live, so this is it. Would u go way outside your bankroll to get your 'career' started? My online winnings suggest I might be able to do pretty well.
October 21, 2012
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marc alioto said:
loxxii said:
I think the open and cbet are fine.
When he raises, I think he's doing it because I c-bet so small, I'd been active, and I'd c-bet this flop regardless of my hand. I figured he'd just call with a K. He doesnt have KK or TT since I'd been active. He's repping 55, two pair, or QJ. He has these or pure air. No marginal hand would check raise me on the flop. I'd expect his strong hands to bet on the turn and I'd happily fold or take it away from his air if he checks.
When he checks the turn, I barrel to get him off of the air he raised flop with. I figured he has to give me credit for at least a K or A. When he just calls the turn on this wet board, I know he isn't strong. I figured he either turned a heart draw with his air or he hit that A. Im leaning towards the A because a lot of people would shove turn with the heart draw.
When he bets small on the river, I definitely dont think he has the hearts. I figured I could get him off of a weak ace with a shove since he put that scared little blocking bet out there.
Apparently my soul is an open book.
gg.
When thinking about calling a check raise i think it is important to have good back door equity when we have no pair or draw. You have this with the backdoor flush and straight draw. However, given the effective stack i would just lean towards a fold as I prefer to be 40bbs+ when floating complete air because i like to set up massive bets on later streets. Just my preference to be able to put max pressure on villain.
—I do think he can have kq or kj here because you have been so active and check raising a good king(and getting it in) against an agg opponent is a fine and undervalued line. Stacks are set up perfect fo this.
On turn, when he checks, what are we repping? A floated aq or aj, a10, and jq to name a few. I dont hate your bet at all, but i think the better line may be to check back and put in a river bet checked to or possibly a massive reshove if he leads. We gain so much information if he checks river as his range becomes way clearer as a weak 1 pair hand or complete air. The more info, the easier decision we will have.
I like that you are thinking outside of the box Los as it shows massive improvements in your game. The more we stray from ABC poker the higher our ROI gets. When makings these plays it is always nice to have a beefier stack in order to still have chips if we are wrong and in order to put max pressure on later streets. 40+ FTW
good stuff
Agreed about just folding flop. This is one of the many spots where I know a guy is full of shit, but it's gonna take my whole stack to prove. Sometimes it's best to just let them have a few. It's not worth it.
I love your idea of checking turn and maybe ripping river over a weak lead to counter the fact that I dont have a good stack for 3 barrel bluffing. My only concern with it is that checking the turn caps my range and causes me to rep even less than I do now.
40+ next time. Thanks Marc.
February 9, 2014
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at1977 said:
Merge No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t/t Blinds – 2 players – View hand 2428522
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This hand is from 10k nightly hu on MERGE. Up to this point i felt i had upper hand on the villain. At the time he was an unknown player. I was leaning toward him being just a random guy and thats how I played him. He was the CL during most of the FT and played aggro but not too crazy on a table full of good regs. To this point we barely 3 bet each other maybe once PF. HU he started with 3 to 2 lead in chips but quickly changed that in my advantage. We were 97bb(me) and 68bb (him) deep…
Hero (BB): t425855 1 BBs – VPIP: 27, PFR: 18, 3B: 7, AF: 2.0, Hands: 127368
Player9 (BTN/SB): t304145 1 BBs – VPIP: 37, PFR: 31, 3B: 14, AF: 3.1, Hands: 352Pre Flop: (t0) Hero is BB with 9
9
Player9 raises to t6750, Hero calls t6750Flop: (t13500) 8
9
A
Hero checks, Player9 bets t8800, Hero raises to t17600, Player9 calls t8800Turn: (t48700) 5
Hero bets t22500, Player9 raises to t69000, Hero calls t46500River: (t186700) 4
Hero checks, Player9 bets t98800, Hero?
Why are we flatting 99 pre in a super deep HU match? 99 is a monster HU and flatting is a pretty big mistake IMO. As played, this is a pretty sick spot. Clearly looks like a flush or a turned two pair. He can also have aq,ak with q/k of heart. You say he isnt agg, but his HUD numbers clearly say otherwise——————— VPIP: 37, PFR: 31, 3B: 14, AF: 3.1, Hands: 352 …
Problem is that a lot of these hands could be from HU play. What is villains screename?
I would like to check my HUD stats to see what i have on villain
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February 9, 2014
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mikewebb68 said:
Satty to $530 seat to WSOP.com New Jersey online championships, FT, seven players left, only two spots pay. Villian is Vestadium, a solid, aggressive reg (no HUD stats since it is WSOP.com). If it factors into your thought process on the hand at all, he and I have already won seats, so we're just playing for the cash (WSOP pays cash, not t dollars, for multiple seats won). Also, the table is loaded (only one player is less than solid), so good spots are not going to be plentiful. I am the cl, he is 3rd.
#Game No : 438513270
***** WSOP.com Hand History for Game 438513270 *****
$150/$300 Blinds No Limit Holdem – ***
Tournament #141316 $20 + $2 – Table #1 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: Daytona103 ( $19,366 )
Seat 2: Mycology ( $7,140 )
Seat 3: smaulerg ( $6,380 )
Seat 5: cben99 ( $9,143 )
Seat 6: cantbeatyou ( $19,833 )
Seat 7: chewbroccoli ( $18,277 )
Seat 9: Redhotmomma ( $6,361 )
Daytona103 posts ante [$25]
cben99 posts ante [$25]
Mycology posts ante [$25]
cantbeatyou posts ante [$25]
chewbroccoli posts ante [$25]
Redhotmomma posts ante [$25]
smaulerg posts ante [$25]
chewbroccoli posts small blind [$150]
Redhotmomma posts big blind [$300]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to cantbeatyou [ 8d, 8h ]
Daytona103 folds
Mycology folds
smaulerg folds
cben99 folds
cantbeatyou raises [$600]
chewbroccoli raises [$1,593]
Redhotmomma folds
cantbeatyou raises [$2,886]
chewbroccoli calls [$1,743]
** Dealing flop ** [ 4d, 2c, 4s ]
chewbroccoli bets [$14,766]
cantbeatyou ???This 49 bb overshove REALLY took me by surprise. It screams A-K to me from a solid player, but how certain do I need to be given my chip position? Any thoughts appreciated, including on my 4 betting pre and sizing.
February 9, 2014
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thedonator716 said:
Villain is a known good reg. Seemed to be opening in ep quite a bit this tournament but not stupidly.WPN, 350/700 blinds, 75 ante No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. Hero (CO): 48,888 (69.8 bb) BTN: 5,131 (7.3 bb) SB: 17,462 (24.9 bb) BB: 32,739 (46.8 bb) UTG+2: 21,955 (31.4 bb) MP1: 31,325 (44.8 bb) MP2: 69,725 (99.6 bb) MP3: 19,551 (27.9 bb) Preflop: Hero is CO with Jd Ks UTG+2 raises to 1,400, MP1 calls 1,400, 2 folds, Hero calls 1,400, 3 folds Flop: (5,850) Qd 2d 9s (3 players) UTG+2 bets 2,255, MP1 folds, Hero calls 2,255 Turn: (10,360) 3d (2 players) UTG+2 bets 3,454, Hero???I floated the flop planning to take it down a decent amount of the time on the turn if checked to. Or bink obv 🙂 . This seems like too good of a scare card to pass up on the turn. While it gives me a lot more equity, I hate just calling unless I plan on shoving the river as a bluff when I whiff.
February 9, 2014
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Firestarter said:
Hi, I have a general question re: bankroll mgmt with live poker
I learned to play MTTs online then I moved to US and switched to live play. Last year I went to the WSOP and cashed in one of the $1000 tournaments fifth time playing live with anyone. but at the point where I should have become more aggressive… ffear of bubbling in first big tourney stopped me. I'm going to vegas for the WsOP circuit at caesars. seems a waste of time to go in smaller tourneys with quick structures and low buy ins but by the time i travel to vegasget hotels etc its a lot more expensive than just the buy in. but i live in a state without casinos and cant make money online in the US cuz of where i live, so this is it. Would u go way outside your bankroll to get your 'career' started? My online winnings suggest I might be able to do pretty well
There are no online rooms that you can play on? I find that hard to believe as Bovada, merge, and the winning network are all viable options for an online grinder in the US. I am a massive bankroll nit so i stick to a strict schedule based on my roll. Do you mind telling me your roll and if you have an outsite job? I hate answering a ? like this without that information.
thanks
June 16, 2012
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marc alioto said:
at1977 said:
Merge No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t/t Blinds – 2 players – View hand 2428522
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
This hand is from 10k nightly hu on MERGE. Up to this point i felt i had upper hand on the villain. At the time he was an unknown player. I was leaning toward him being just a random guy and thats how I played him. He was the CL during most of the FT and played aggro but not too crazy on a table full of good regs. To this point we barely 3 bet each other maybe once PF. HU he started with 3 to 2 lead in chips but quickly changed that in my advantage. We were 97bb(me) and 68bb (him) deep…
Hero (BB): t425855 1 BBs – VPIP: 27, PFR: 18, 3B: 7, AF: 2.0, Hands: 127368
Player9 (BTN/SB): t304145 1 BBs – VPIP: 37, PFR: 31, 3B: 14, AF: 3.1, Hands: 352Pre Flop: (t0) Hero is BB with 9
Player9 raises to t6750, Hero calls t6750Flop: (t13500) 8
Hero checks, Player9 bets t8800, Hero raises to t17600, Player9 calls t8800Turn: (t48700) 5
Hero bets t22500, Player9 raises to t69000, Hero calls t46500River: (t186700) 4
Hero checks, Player9 bets t98800, Hero?
Why are we flatting 99 pre in a super deep HU match? 99 is a monster HU and flatting is a pretty big mistake IMO. As played, this is a pretty sick spot. Clearly looks like a flush or a turned two pair. He can also have aq,ak with q/k of heart. You say he isnt agg, but his HUD numbers clearly say otherwise——————— VPIP: 37, PFR: 31, 3B: 14, AF: 3.1, Hands: 352 …
Problem is that a lot of these hands could be from HU play. What is villains screename?
I would like to check my HUD stats to see what i have on vill
Y
I decided to play 99 in a smaller pf pot, because of how hu match was going, thought i had more value in slowplaying it. Wanted to player smaller pots because i was doing good vs him in those…clearly it is a mistake tho…
His sn is play4keeps4. I don't remmeber playing vs him before so his hud #s are pretty high mostly because of the hu match. I did think i had an edge on him and folded to his river bet. His river bet was the part that confused me, I am probably tank calling shoves, but his bet of half of his stack was a trickey play.To this hand i was getting the best out of him in this hu, but after that he owned me in the rest so my read was wrong :(….he showed me qto, bluffed me off couple more times in a bit smaller pots and only time i called him he had it…my soul was owned 🙂
Later I found out he is TCRAMES, a very good player who moved to Mexico last year or so and who is def an excellent player who does pretty good on PS as well…
February 9, 2014
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Tcrames is a boss! He is a very good player, one of the best on the US sites imo. Did he have the Q of heart?
I am trying to work on my HU game as thats where we can see the most improvements in our ROIs. Tough spot tho, so hard to say what i would do because game flow is a huge factor when making decisions.
—- Really hard to slowplay a hand like 99 because so many overs can come so def. need to be 3 betting. Against him, i would be 3 betting to 5 bet shove/call. He is very capable and probably isnt folding any pair HU, so 99 is the nuts
January 15, 2013
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marc alioto said:
mikewebb68 said:
Satty to $530 seat to WSOP.com New Jersey online championships, FT, seven players left, only two spots pay. Villian is Vestadium, a solid, aggressive reg (no HUD stats since it is WSOP.com). If it factors into your thought process on the hand at all, he and I have already won seats, so we're just playing for the cash (WSOP pays cash, not t dollars, for multiple seats won). Also, the table is loaded (only one player is less than solid), so good spots are not going to be plentiful. I am the cl, he is 3rd.
#Game No : 438513270
***** WSOP.com Hand History for Game 438513270 *****
$150/$300 Blinds No Limit Holdem – ***
Tournament #141316 $20 + $2 – Table #1 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: Daytona103 ( $19,366 )
Seat 2: Mycology ( $7,140 )
Seat 3: smaulerg ( $6,380 )
Seat 5: cben99 ( $9,143 )
Seat 6: cantbeatyou ( $19,833 )
Seat 7: chewbroccoli ( $18,277 )
Seat 9: Redhotmomma ( $6,361 )
Daytona103 posts ante [$25]
cben99 posts ante [$25]
Mycology posts ante [$25]
cantbeatyou posts ante [$25]
chewbroccoli posts ante [$25]
Redhotmomma posts ante [$25]
smaulerg posts ante [$25]
chewbroccoli posts small blind [$150]
Redhotmomma posts big blind [$300]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to cantbeatyou [ 8d, 8h ]
Daytona103 folds
Mycology folds
smaulerg folds
cben99 folds
cantbeatyou raises [$600]
chewbroccoli raises [$1,593]
Redhotmomma folds
cantbeatyou raises [$2,886]
chewbroccoli calls [$1,743]
** Dealing flop ** [ 4d, 2c, 4s ]
chewbroccoli bets [$14,766]
cantbeatyou ???This 49 bb overshove REALLY took me by surprise. It screams A-K to me from a solid player, but how certain do I need to be given my chip position? Any thoughts appreciated, including on my 4 betting pre and sizing.
“so good spots are not going to be plentiful. I am the cl, he is 3rd”This is a very important statement IMO. Im way more inclined to take a higher variance spot when there are 7 sickos, than when there are a bunch of good spots. However, you have 16k if you fold, at 300bb!!! I would just fold and not lose any sleep over it. You could be ahead but id rather not get into a guessing game when we still have so many chips. We can find a much better spot and having a 50bb stack guarantees that.FWIW, i would never be 4 betting 88 here given the stack sizes. I see no reason to turn our hand into a bluff this deep when 88 has massive value given the effective stacks.
Thanks, Mark! I 4 bet simply because he was 3 betting my button light, and I would take it down then and there. Obv, I was wrong. It was a sick hand, since I did fold, and he actually had 9-9! Though it was sick to play 9-9 that way…
Gather that if I flat his 3 bet, he does the same thing on the flop, so i did lose more chips by 4 bettting.
November 12, 2013
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Was kind of hoping to get the answer without giving out the names to prevent bias, but since you asked. Hero is ledonateur716 and villain is dustybaker415 
. Not sure what my image is to you or what notes you have on me. Could be anything from nit to crazy idiot depending on what stages and stack sizes you've played with me most over our 400 hands. Can't find the tourney info but probably the $30 3k or something similar.
Edit: Would be nice if you could tell me what kind of notes you do have on me 
June 16, 2012
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marc alioto said:
Tcrames is a boss! He is a very good player, one of the best on the US sites imo. Did he have the Q of heart?
I am trying to work on my HU game as thats where we can see the most improvements in our ROIs. Tough spot tho, so hard to say what i would do because game flow is a huge factor when making decisions.
—- Really hard to slowplay a hand like 99 because so many overs can come so def. need to be 3 betting. Against him, i would be 3 betting to 5 bet shove/call. He is very capable and probably isnt folding any pair HU, so 99 is the nuts
No, he didn't have q of hearts. It was Qs Tc if i remembered correctly. Game flow dictated my decision to lay it down there, he didn't get out of line vs me prior this hand. Not knowing his sn and taking him for a random guy cost me in this HU. I agree i should have 3-bet him PF but decided to take low variance in that hand OOP and just tried to trap him/ reavalute how hand went. We didn't have big pots up to that point so cudos to him for making that play wich turned over how the whole HU went…
On side not that was a very interesting tourney with lots of good regs and plays. Last 5 were RIVERMEN, DELUSIONAL DEGEN, WORM , me and TCREMES. I even had a very interesting hand vs James earlier in tourney. If you guys are interested to review HH let me know.
BTW I am huge fan of yours! You are a very inspirational player! 🙂
February 14, 2014
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marc alioto said:
Firestarter said:
Hi, I have a general question re: bankroll mgmt with live poker
I learned to play MTTs online then I moved to US and switched to live play. Last year I went to the WSOP and cashed in one of the $1000 tournaments fifth time playing live with anyone. but at the point where I should have become more aggressive… ffear of bubbling in first big tourney stopped me. I'm going to vegas for the WsOP circuit at caesars. seems a waste of time to go in smaller tourneys with quick structures and low buy ins but by the time i travel to vegasget hotels etc its a lot more expensive than just the buy in. but i live in a state without casinos and cant make money online in the US cuz of where i live, so this is it. Would u go way outside your bankroll to get your 'career' started? My online winnings suggest I might be able to do pretty well
There are no online rooms that you can play on? I find that hard to believe as Bovada, merge, and the winning network are all viable options for an online grinder in the US. I am a massive bankroll nit so i stick to a strict schedule based on my roll. Do you mind telling me your roll and if you have an outsite job? I hate answering a ? like this without that information.
thanks
Thanks for getting back to me with such a general question.
Ive been playing a bit on Bet Online which is the only site that would take my credit card so far and doesnt have a lot of tourneys. No luck with Bovada and others taking my credit card. Live in the strictest place in the world for gambling. I'll look harder. I dont believe I can make huge improvements without playing online, that's just my gut feel, that you need the repetition. I've been trying to learn cash games on the small buy in tables on Betonline…idea being to learn how to play cash so I can play cash live (which I have found around here, though it seems kind of unsafe with the locked doors, probable weapons etc) and put together some money for tourneys. I find live play a lot easier, not sure why. Also got in a sng group where a few of the people have cashed in WSOP so learning from them.
I have a pretty good job but it gets largely chewed up by family expenses (three kids/home). almost no bankroll…$2000, of which im blowing half to go to Las Vegas in two weeks…you going? WSOP circuit at Caesars. I totally believe in bankroll management in theory, certainly have busted out online a few times not following it, though on a small run now. I know I'm grinding well when I'm bored. I'm accountable for what i spend to spouse now. Only thing I have going for me is I've done unusally well in the 20 times ive played cash so I have some street cred that i'm not just wasting my time.
Prob too much detail. I just feel like I'm in a jam. I won about $30K in australia in smaller buy in tourneys over 2 years ($20 or less) and the wsOP wasnt as hard as i thought itd be, but I'm still lacking skills to get to the higher spots without pure luck. Just watched bigdog sunday millions 2. he's exact opposite personality to me so i loved it, lots of new tricks there.
what would u do if u were me?
February 9, 2014
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“Thanks, Mark! I 4 bet simply because he was 3 betting my button light, and I would take it down then and there. Obv, I was wrong. It was a sick hand, since I did fold, and he actually had 9-9! Though it was sick to play 9-9 that way…
Gather that if I flat his 3 bet, he does the same thing on the flop, so i did lose more chips by 4 bettting. “
I did not realize you were the Button, 4 bet is actually best IMO especially if he is 3 betting Heeps. I still am folding to that shove although it looks absurdly bluffy/bad. Too many chips tho
December 24, 2013
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Hey man just saw the question of where to play online and thought I'd chime in as I feel pretty educated on the subject. To play on bovada, and most sites, you need what amounts to a completely separate debit/credit card for poker. As a US grinder, I've found no other way around it. I use netspend. Im sure others work as well. You need only to get an international transactions visa or mastercard. You buy a netspend visa temp card, they mail you a real one, you transfer funds from your bank to the online debit account, you deposit from the card. I've deposited from netspend to black chip poker and bovada a few times when i'd bust. Bank transfers to your card cost $1.95 to do it instantly, and it's limited to $100 each run, so you're looking at 2% vig on top of the 4.95% vig bovada charges. 
However, they do have “free transfers” which take a few days to process. So yah, uh,. If you had say $1000 to put on. It would cost you $4.95 for the card, and I think 4.95%. So you're looking at an overall charge of $55 to put on $945. Bovada has a series for low/mid stakes and then high stakes immediately following lasting from tomorrow through Aprilish.
February 14, 2014
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Thanks I really appreciate it. I'll give it a try.
February 9, 2014
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Villain is a known good reg. Seemed to be opening in ep quite a bit this tournament but not stupidly.WPN, 350/700 blinds, 75 ante No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. Hero (CO): 48,888 (69.8 bb) BTN: 5,131 (7.3 bb) SB: 17,462 (24.9 bb) BB: 32,739 (46.8 bb) UTG+2: 21,955 (31.4 bb) MP1: 31,325 (44.8 bb) MP2: 69,725 (99.6 bb) MP3: 19,551 (27.9 bb) Preflop: Hero is CO with Jd Ks UTG+2 raises to 1,400, MP1 calls 1,400, 2 folds, Hero calls 1,400, 3 folds Flop: (5,850) Qd 2d 9s (3 players) UTG+2 bets 2,255, MP1 folds, Hero calls 2,255 Turn: (10,360) 3d (2 players) UTG+2 bets 3,454, Hero???I floated the flop planning to take it down a decent amount of the time on the turn if checked to. Or bink obv 🙂 . This seems like too good of a scare card to pass up on the turn. While it gives me a lot more equity, I hate just calling unless I plan on shoving the river as a bluff when I whiff.
LOLOLOL–too funny that its dusty
I dont want to give away too much, but im rarely double barreling in a 3 way pot here wihtout a set, flush, or top pair good FD. However, if its the late 3k, i could be very tilted/ready to punt. I started the hand with 31 bbs so given this information i think fold is best followed by shove. Call is out of the ? as im probably not folding anything im barreling on turn. If im drawing, im punting if i miss, so you wont have room to shove river. Def dont hate re-shoving the turn as it looks like you have the flush, but i would be shocked if i didnt have a hand that was bet calling the turn. Could be wrong as my mood can sometimes cause me to play like a donk..
SO WHAT HAppned?
February 9, 2014
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marc alioto said:
Firestarter said:
Hi, I have a general question re: bankroll mgmt with live poker
I learned to play MTTs online then I moved to US and switched to live play. Last year I went to the WSOP and cashed in one of the $1000 tournaments fifth time playing live with anyone. but at the point where I should have become more aggressive… ffear of bubbling in first big tourney stopped me. I'm going to vegas for the WsOP circuit at caesars. seems a waste of time to go in smaller tourneys with quick structures and low buy ins but by the time i travel to vegasget hotels etc its a lot more expensive than just the buy in. but i live in a state without casinos and cant make money online in the US cuz of where i live, so this is it. Would u go way outside your bankroll to get your 'career' started? My online winnings suggest I might be able to do pretty well
There are no online rooms that you can play on? I find that hard to believe as Bovada, merge, and the winning network are all viable options for an online grinder in the US. I am a massive bankroll nit so i stick to a strict schedule based on my roll. Do you mind telling me your roll and if you have an outsite job? I hate answering a ? like this without that information.
thanks
Thanks for getting back to me with such a general question.
Ive been playing a bit on Bet Online which is the only site that would take my credit card so far and doesnt have a lot of tourneys. No luck with Bovada and others taking my credit card. Live in the strictest place in the world for gambling. I'll look harder. I dont believe I can make huge improvements without playing online, that's just my gut feel, that you need the repetition. I've been trying to learn cash games on the small buy in tables on Betonline…idea being to learn how to play cash so I can play cash live (which I have found around here, though it seems kind of unsafe with the locked doors, probable weapons etc) and put together some money for tourneys. I find live play a lot easier, not sure why. Also got in a sng group where a few of the people have cashed in WSOP so learning from them.
I have a pretty good job but it gets largely chewed up by family expenses (three kids/home). almost no bankroll…$2000, of which im blowing half to go to Las Vegas in two weeks…you going? WSOP circuit at Caesars. I totally believe in bankroll management in theory, certainly have busted out online a few times not following it, though on a small run now. I know I'm grinding well when I'm bored. I'm accountable for what i spend to spouse now. Only thing I have going for me is I've done unusally well in the 20 times ive played cash so I have some street cred that i'm not just wasting my time.
Prob too much detail. I just feel like I'm in a jam. I won about $30K in australia in smaller buy in tourneys over 2 years ($20 or less) and the wsOP wasnt as hard as i thought itd be, but I'm still lacking skills to get to the higher spots without pure luck. Just watched bigdog sunday millions 2. he's exact opposite personality to me so i loved it, lots of new tricks there.
what would u do if u were me?
First off, the more details the better I can answer, so i appreciate your reply. So basically it looks like you want to grind to make extra money and eventually play poker full time. Having massive overhead per month, it is nice to have the “real job” to start, eventually you can make enough to quit that 9-5 IMO. Having poker as one's only source of income is stressful and life draining so you are one step ahead already. This is a good recipe in the process of becoming a good/great player. Good to great is a drastic step that comes down to a persons's character. Some have it, some don't.
You are spot on in your belief that online will make you better faster. Just playing more hands and being able to review those hands is a massive tool that you can use to get better. The winning network, the merge network, and bovada are all great online sites that are paying checks weekly. You can get better faster by being on all of them. Talk to support at bovada, they usually can help you get situated.
If i were you, I would get on the sites mentioned above and put 33% of your roll on each site. If you want to privately email me your roll I can help create some bankroll guidelines. Im very nitty when it comes to bankroll management, but thats only because i used to go broke weekly. Ive learned the hard way and dont want anyone to have to deal with that real life pain.
You have a great attitude my man, sky is the limit for you. Remember this, sometimes studying is better than actually playing. Plugging leaks, studying opponents will make you way better and in turn make you way more $$$$. Make sure you surround yourself with people playing poker as that support group also will make you better at a faster pace.
gl my man, im rooting for ya!
Azn
February 9, 2014
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jacobsharktank said:
Hey man just saw the question of where to play online and thought I'd chime in as I feel pretty educated on the subject. To play on bovada, and most sites, you need what amounts to a completely separate debit/credit card for poker. As a US grinder, I've found no other way around it. I use netspend. Im sure others work as well. You need only to get an international transactions visa or mastercard. You buy a netspend visa temp card, they mail you a real one, you transfer funds from your bank to the online debit account, you deposit from the card. I've deposited from netspend to black chip poker and bovada a few times when i'd bust. Bank transfers to your card cost $1.95 to do it instantly, and it's limited to $100 each run, so you're looking at 2% vig on top of the 4.95% vig bovada charges.
great post my man, this is what TPE is all about! We are all here to help improve eachother's game.
Thanks for takign the time to help
February 9, 2014
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“BTW I am huge fan of yours! You are a very inspirational player! :)”
thanks my man
If i can inspire anyone to work hard and make money doing something they love, my life is close to complete. I always try and show you a couple hands at the table, even if most are bluffs 😉
hahahhah glglgl
AZN
February 14, 2014
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marc alioto said:
Firestarter said:
marc alioto said:
Firestarter said:
Hi, I have a general question re: bankroll mgmt with live poker
I learned to play MTTs online then I moved to US and switched to live play. Last year I went to the WSOP and cashed in one of the $1000 tournaments fifth time playing live with anyone. but at the point where I should have become more aggressive… ffear of bubbling in first big tourney stopped me. I'm going to vegas for the WsOP circuit at caesars. seems a waste of time to go in smaller tourneys with quick structures and low buy ins but by the time i travel to vegasget hotels etc its a lot more expensive than just the buy in. but i live in a state without casinos and cant make money online in the US cuz of where i live, so this is it. Would u go way outside your bankroll to get your 'career' started? My online winnings suggest I might be able to do pretty well
There are no online rooms that you can play on? I find that hard to believe as Bovada, merge, and the winning network are all viable options for an online grinder in the US. I am a massive bankroll nit so i stick to a strict schedule based on my roll. Do you mind telling me your roll and if you have an outsite job? I hate answering a ? like this without that information.
thanks
Thanks for getting back to me with such a general question.
Ive been playing a bit on Bet Online which is the only site that would take my credit card so far and doesnt have a lot of tourneys. No luck with Bovada and others taking my credit card. Live in the strictest place in the world for gambling. I'll look harder. I dont believe I can make huge improvements without playing online, that's just my gut feel, that you need the repetition. I've been trying to learn cash games on the small buy in tables on Betonline…idea being to learn how to play cash so I can play cash live (which I have found around here, though it seems kind of unsafe with the locked doors, probable weapons etc) and put together some money for tourneys. I find live play a lot easier, not sure why. Also got in a sng group where a few of the people have cashed in WSOP so learning from them.
I have a pretty good job but it gets largely chewed up by family expenses (three kids/home). almost no bankroll…$2000, of which im blowing half to go to Las Vegas in two weeks…you going? WSOP circuit at Caesars. I totally believe in bankroll management in theory, certainly have busted out online a few times not following it, though on a small run now. I know I'm grinding well when I'm bored. I'm accountable for what i spend to spouse now. Only thing I have going for me is I've done unusally well in the 20 times ive played cash so I have some street cred that i'm not just wasting my time.
Prob too much detail. I just feel like I'm in a jam. I won about $30K in australia in smaller buy in tourneys over 2 years ($20 or less) and the wsOP wasnt as hard as i thought itd be, but I'm still lacking skills to get to the higher spots without pure luck. Just watched bigdog sunday millions 2. he's exact opposite personality to me so i loved it, lots of new tricks there.
what would u do if u were me?
First off, the more details the better I can answer, so i appreciate your reply. So basically it looks like you want to grind to make extra money and eventually play poker full time. Having massive overhead per month, it is nice to have the “real job” to start, eventually you can make enough to quit that 9-5 IMO. Having poker as one's only source of income is stressful and life draining so you are one step ahead already. This is a good recipe in the process of becoming a good/great player. Good to great is a drastic step that comes down to a persons's character. Some have it, some don't.
You are spot on in your belief that online will make you better faster. Just playing more hands and being able to review those hands is a massive tool that you can use to get better. The winning network, the merge network, and bovada are all great online sites that are paying checks weekly. You can get better faster by being on all of them. Talk to support at bovada, they usually can help you get situated.
If i were you, I would get on the sites mentioned above and put 33% of your roll on each site. If you want to privately email me your roll I can help create some bankroll guidelines. Im very nitty when it comes to bankroll management, but thats only because i used to go broke weekly. Ive learned the hard way and dont want anyone to have to deal with that real life pain.
You have a great attitude my man, sky is the limit for you. Remember this, sometimes studying is better than actually playing. Plugging leaks, studying opponents will make you way better and in turn make you way more $$$$. Make sure you surround yourself with people playing poker as that support group also will make you better at a faster pace.
gl my man, im rooting for ya!
Azn
February 14, 2014
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Thank you Marc, you're the best
December 24, 2013
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hey marc, thanks for the kind words and thanks for still updating this now and then. great to read thoughts/words from pros. it's even nicer to hear that you are susceptible to tilt/punting your stack. i just remembered your sn and it clicked that several months ago i played you on revolution in like a 55 or maybe the 75r and something you did confused me and made me feel like i didn't know enough about the game (i mean obviously i don't. none of us do lol) to be playing, but now i know it was likely you playing tired or something.
i cant remmeber exact hh but you open/flatted my 3b co vs btn and then donk lead/called all in for like 22bb total with QJo flopping two pair on a 2 flush flop. . i was really bummed i couldn't figure out why you flatted the QJ while being so shallow but it makes more sense now i think…that is unless theres something else i'm still missing haha. once you hit the flop i like donking since the boards really connected, but pre i was like “ughhhh marc what am i missing”
also just read something you said about trees helping you post-bad beat and what not. gonna send you a pm about that. haha
November 12, 2013
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marc alioto said:
thedonator716 said:
Villain is a known good reg. Seemed to be opening in ep quite a bit this tournament but not stupidly.WPN, 350/700 blinds, 75 ante No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. Hero (CO): 48,888 (69.8 bb) BTN: 5,131 (7.3 bb) SB: 17,462 (24.9 bb) BB: 32,739 (46.8 bb) UTG+2: 21,955 (31.4 bb) MP1: 31,325 (44.8 bb) MP2: 69,725 (99.6 bb) MP3: 19,551 (27.9 bb) Preflop: Hero is CO with Jd Ks UTG+2 raises to 1,400, MP1 calls 1,400, 2 folds, Hero calls 1,400, 3 folds Flop: (5,850) Qd 2d 9s (3 players) UTG+2 bets 2,255, MP1 folds, Hero calls 2,255 Turn: (10,360) 3d (2 players) UTG+2 bets 3,454, Hero???I floated the flop planning to take it down a decent amount of the time on the turn if checked to. Or bink obv 🙂 . This seems like too good of a scare card to pass up on the turn. While it gives me a lot more equity, I hate just calling unless I plan on shoving the river as a bluff when I whiff.
LOLOLOL–too funny that its dusty
I dont want to give away too much, but im rarely double barreling in a 3 way pot here wihtout a set, flush, or top pair good FD. However, if its the late 3k, i could be very tilted/ready to punt. I started the hand with 31 bbs so given this information i think fold is best followed by shove. Call is out of the ? as im probably not folding anything im barreling on turn. If im drawing, im punting if i miss, so you wont have room to shove river. Def dont hate re-shoving the turn as it looks like you have the flush, but i would be shocked if i didnt have a hand that was bet calling the turn. Could be wrong as my mood can sometimes cause me to play like a donk..
SO WHAT HAppned?
Winning Poker Network - 350/700 NL - Holdem - 8 players Hand converted by PokerTracker 4 ledonateur716 (CO): 48,888 krazymofo37 (BTN): 5,131 kidkash (SB): 17,462 fingers911 (BB): 32,739 dustybaker415 (UTG): 21,955 Kongo1022 (UTG+1): 31,325 cjoseph (MP): 69,725 shara02 (MP+1): 19,551 8 players post ante of 75, kidkash posts SB 350, fingers911 posts BB 700 Pre Flop: (pot: 1,650) ledonateur716 has JK
[color=red]dustybaker415 raises to 1,400[/color], Kongo1022 calls 1,400, fold, fold, ledonateur716 calls 1,400, fold, fold, fold Flop: (5,850, 3 players) Q
ledonateur716 shows J
A
Sorry for the late reply. I was thinking a raise might look stronger than a shove here. Definitely understand what you mean about barrelling the flop 3 ways. I didn't post the other players stats at first because I only had 18 hands on him but he's running 56/11 and folding to cbet 83%. Even at 18 hands I tag this guy as a fish and figured you made the same assumtion. I know I'm more likely to cbet in that case. The turn bet is where I actually got worried because I was pretty sure you either had something good or was trying to get me to fold hands like I have or pure airball floats. I do like to do that sometimes on boards like this, where I can rep a lot of scary turn cards and I feel like your stack size can put you in tough spots on the turn. I decided to try it this time and hope I might also be able to get you off your weaker value hands. Is this just getting spewy at this point?
April 13, 2014
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Hello Marc…
I am new at TPE (2 days) and I just ead this whole thread which I beleive is wesome…. when I saw the date when it started I thought: this will be going on for 3 months tops, I am happy to see your consistency here!!!
I have 2 questions….
1) which is the best SNG to guarantee a steady income long term, while mixing up MTT's to minimize variance?
2) ON January last year you offered a chart for push/fold ranges to a member… could you share it with me too?please? 
My email is jrodriguez@njoy.com.sv
This would be soooo appreciated you have no idea… at the same time…. how could I make my own chart for different stakes? I understand that is based on ranges, so ranges will obviously change based on stakes… right?
Thank you.
February 20, 2013
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You seem to fire less shells at the Mergeaments than most regs. What level do you stop reentering in MTTs where the field is respectable?
What is the best setting for evaluating MTT spots in ICMizer. Just leave it on chip EV mode and require a decent edge? Or should I play with different payout structures and guesstimate number of people left in mtt?
February 9, 2014
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1) which is the best SNG to guarantee a steady income long term, while mixing up MTT's to minimize variance?
Double or nothings–if you are non-US i would play the 5050s on Pokerstars. Both very low variance and can guarantee profit every month, especially with good rakeback. For the first 3 years of my career(maybe more) i played only sitngoes cause i was in a position where i needed to profit every month. Made me 10x better at money management. The goal was always to play mtts but i was aware of variance and feel i made the proper decison given my situation.
GL bro
2) ON January last year you offered a chart for push/fold ranges to a member… could you share it with me too?please? 
Check in MTT forum section-i posted a couple months ago
February 9, 2014
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andinista said:
You seem to fire less shells at the Mergeaments than most regs. What level do you stop reentering in MTTs where the field is respectable?
What is the best setting for evaluating MTT spots in ICMizer. Just leave it on chip EV mode and require a decent edge? Or should I play with different payout structures and guesstimate number of people left in mtt?
1)
Was actually just asked this by a friend via skype.
I have no set rule on re-entering an mtt although i will not fire another bulled if i would start with under 20bbs. I have a massive tilt issue, so if im not reentering its simply because i want to shatter everything in my room. I have been working on this for years and still have not figured out what to do. Mental books, meditation, etc.. all failed. Massive leak in my game.
Having said that, if you have no problem with tilt and can play your best during the coolers and bad beats, I think you should keep re entering as long as you have 20bbs+. 20 bigs allows us all options other than 3 bet folding(which we could still argue) so I think having enough chips to raise fold or fold an orbit or two is crucial when thinking about this strategy.
2) I have been going over ICM spots using Icmizer with Mr. Jace and can conclude that we can't just be looking at CHIP ev 100% of the time. ICM has tons of merit, im just unsure of the exact value. Ive been a “CHIP ev” guy my entire career so im probably the wrong person to be asking. i apologize
gl to you my man
recognize the name, ur agg as ****!
April 13, 2014
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marc alioto said:
1) which is the best SNG to guarantee a steady income long term, while mixing up MTT's to minimize variance?
Double or nothings–if you are non-US i would play the 5050s on Pokerstars. Both very low variance and can guarantee profit every month, especially with good rakeback. For the first 3 years of my career(maybe more) i played only sitngoes cause i was in a position where i needed to profit every month. Made me 10x better at money management. The goal was always to play mtts but i was aware of variance and feel i made the proper decison given my situation.
GL bro
2) ON January last year you offered a chart for push/fold ranges to a member… could you share it with me too?please?
Check in MTT forum section-i posted a couple months ago
Thank you very much sir…. I truly appreciated… easy to tell Im non US based on my writing huh… nice read 😉
April 3, 2014
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You mentioned you played 3 years of sng's, was there a format other than the 50/50's that you played?
Other than living the life of ICM, what would be another big aspect of “studying” for sng's?
Although grinding sng's are great for Final Table experience of MTT's, how much do you think the “robotics” of sng's damaged your MTT ability?
February 9, 2014
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TheFinkey said:
You mentioned you played 3 years of sng's, was there a format other than the 50/50's that you played?
Other than living the life of ICM, what would be another big aspect of “studying” for sng's?
Although grinding sng's are great for Final Table experience of MTT's, how much do you think the “robotics” of sng's damaged your MTT ability?
1)I would say 80% of my sitngo career consisted of Double or Nothings(non turbo) and when i wasnt playing those I played non turbo 9 men sits. Because I have alway tilted hard, I liked to play games where the variance was low and the swings were minimal. Kept me mentally strong and allowed me to build a roll without having 50 buy in downswings.
2)I actually didnt study too much when i played sits, I just cranked the volume up and learned that way. Looking back, I would have been 10 times better had i studied the game with fellow grinders. I think your best bet would be to find people playing similar games with similar buy ins. Better to talk strategy with players that are on the same level and bounce ideas off eachother while reviewing HH etc etc. This has been a massive role in my success in my mtt game.
STUDY HARD!
3) I think Double or nothings had a massive impact on my mtt game. All in a bad way as I was confused in certain spots that are standard to most mtt regs. DONS have a unique strategy on the bubble and there really isnt any inducing involved as the game is beaten by surviving rather than going for all the chips. Having said that, i do feel the 9 man non turbos made me a master of the 20bb stack. Many players today complain that it is the most difficult stack to play as we find ourselves ? many spots. Should we reshove, should we flat, should we open to name a few of those spots. I feel i know exactly what to do against certain villains in certain spots because my brain played millions of hands at that level. A massive + for playing sitngoes as even the best mtt grinders in the world wouldnt have my expereince.
If i could start my career over the only adjustment i would make is to study at least 2 hours a week. Seems like an easy task, but we find ourselves wanting to see hands as poker is a big addiciton. I wouldnt take back playing DONS tho, made me understand the value of money and ive learned to appreciate the days of playing 80 of those in a day.
All about the grind my man,
GL to you
February 20, 2013
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marc alioto said:
1)
Was actually just asked this by a friend via skype.
I have no set rule on re-entering an mtt although i will not fire another bulled if i would start with under 20bbs. I have a massive tilt issue, so if im not reentering its simply because i want to shatter everything in my room. I have been working on this for years and still have not figured out what to do. Mental books, meditation, etc.. all failed. Massive leak in my game.
Having said that, if you have no problem with tilt and can play your best during the coolers and bad beats, I think you should keep re entering as long as you have 20bbs+. 20 bigs allows us all options other than 3 bet folding(which we could still argue) so I think having enough chips to raise fold or fold an orbit or two is crucial when thinking about this strategy.
2) I have been going over ICM spots using Icmizer with Mr. Jace and can conclude that we can't just be looking at CHIP ev 100% of the time. ICM has tons of merit, im just unsure of the exact value. Ive been a “CHIP ev” guy my entire career so im probably the wrong person to be asking. i apologize
Cool to hear a pro admit to the challenges of overcoming tilt. Personally, I don't think 20bbs is enough for me to justify late regging $60+ mtts – I want at least 30bbs. It's hilarious seeing guys fire 7 bullets into weeknight HRs and not cash. I do alot of 15bb late regs to satties and such and I'm pretty sure it's a leak.
I'm looking for a general ICM setting within ICMizer that is close to accurate for ITM situations that aren't at the final table. Perhaps the best way to use it right now is just to use Chipev mode and require bigger edges for spots that have increased ICM.
April 14, 2014
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Hey Marc I have played live cash game poker for a long time and converted to online micros and did pretty well but it didnt seem wotht all of the time put in to it. I have now started to play mostly tourneys in the 33 to 109 dollar range on merge. My ROI has gone sideways and I have gotten maybe too AGG. Looking for a coach that plays on merge and would be interested in laerning from you. If your interested in coaching let me know. I lke your vids I make sure t6o watch all f yours cause I occasinally play against you so its nice to see how you are playing. I try to play optimally but i still find myself making bad plays and would like to find out my leaks that I can fix. I think I call post river too lite way too often. If you would be willing to take some money from me and go over hand history review I would appreciate it. Thanks
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