mavman said:
i play mtts on skypoker ,what strategy videos would boost my game and what advice can you give me to improve ,thanks mavman
Depends on your skill level.
Brendoor has a great series and explains the game at a level that everyone can understand.
If you want to get into some brain busting Vids which are excellent, you cant go wrond with Daryl Jace.
I also have done some videos with Casey where i ask him the ? that we want to know as I am basically learning mtts as we speak.
gl to you
andinista said:
How valuable is SNG Wizard as a tool to review my MTT play?
At what point in the MTT can I plug the 180-man settings from SNGWiz into my HH and get useful data?
As an MTT player, is it valuable to play SNGs to improve lategame ICM decisions, or are MTTs the best training for MTTs?
1)SNG wizard is a great tool for all poker situations. It basically explains push/fold which can be used in mtts or sitngoes. I also like PokerStove which is free. There are so many variables when determing proper ICM strat that the world could never create a “go to program”. Having said that, both of these will help.(I use both)
2)180 man settings i would ask Mr. Danny Noseworthy. I never played them so wouldn't even want to try an answer.
3)As you may know, i am a sitngo specialist who has turned to mtts recently. I cannot tell you how much of an edge i have with 10-25 bbs. What i lack in postflop early play, i make up later in mtts with my expert shortstack play. SO yes, 100% sits will help
Gl my man, and sorry for delayed response
September 20, 2012
marc alioto said:
1)SNG wizard is a great tool for all poker situations. It basically explains push/fold which can be used in mtts or sitngoes. I also like PokerStove which is free. There are so many variables when determing proper ICM strat that the world could never create a “go to program”.
So when you use PStove do you “weight” a villains range in some way? I mean, if you from experience think that a range is like 25% of hands but villain's range in the situation is weighted 80% towards the top 5-10% do you take that into consideration in review? or do you think that it should be considered at all?
(Short example: we have QJs and we think villain has either 98o,98s or AA. Ordinary EV calc: we have 52,9% vs 47,1%. But if we do a weighted EV calc with 80% probability of AA we get something like (1-0,2*0,66) * (1-0,8*0,19) = 0,736 = 73,6% against.)
TiltedEV said:
How confident are you in your mtt game? I feel like its improved a ton in the last few months.
Thanks you Ryan for the complement.
In general, I am not a very confident person and it shows in my lack of play on Sundays. I literally do not play on Sundays. Mainly because of the NFL, but I cannot stand the variance involved in playing a hefty schedule. Now that i consider myself an mtt grinder I have become much more confident in my play. At first I was having major mental issues and struggled with the meta game involved deep in mtts. Studying and adjusting to players and different situations has improved my game drastically.
When it comes to a 20 bb stack, I literally feel that nobody has an edge on me(yes, a lil cocky). This ability and my improvements in postflop play have resulted in some great success. I dont fear anyone and am looking for big things this upcoming year.
Cant wait for our next vid and thanks again for the kind words
Melanocetidae said:
marc alioto said:
1)SNG wizard is a great tool for all poker situations. It basically explains push/fold which can be used in mtts or sitngoes. I also like PokerStove which is free. There are so many variables when determing proper ICM strat that the world could never create a “go to program”.
So when you use PStove do you “weight” a villains range in some way? I mean, if you from experience think that a range is like 25% of hands but villain's range in the situation is weighted 80% towards the top 5-10% do you take that into consideration in review? or do you think that it should be considered at all?
(Short example: we have QJs and we think villain has either 98o,98s or AA. Ordinary EV calc: we have 52,9% vs 47,1%. But if we do a weighted EV calc with 80% probability of AA we get something like (1-0,2*0,66) * (1-0,8*0,19) = 0,736 = 73,6% against.)
I love this post. I have a huge problem with both of these programs being “the answer ” because it is literally impossible to range someone properly. Can we get close? mehhhh, somewhat. By using a HUD we can get close to his range but ranges change based on situations and opponents. Someone may 4 bet me with 8% of their range, and 4 bet someone tighter at 2%. Position, stack size, mood all become variables and need to be applied. This makes it near impossible to get that close to someone's range. However, if we can get close (roughly 5% off) we can use these programs properly after our sessions in order to improve.
It takes over 2k in hands played with 1 opponent to properly range them in certain spots. Even with the 2k hands, who knows if the guy got dumped by his girlfriend, or just punted 4 mtts. The bottom line is that these programs are great when first learning how to determine a villains range. As we get better, more experienced, both programs are almost useless as we learn to adapt to the situations based on previous information without using wiz/stove. Can't clone the brain, so use that! Wiz/stove will help on the journey to be great, but repeated situations ( aka VOLUME) will allow for more growth.
Answer to your ?–
100% we must adjust ranges to different sittuations, otherwise we are getting false info from Stove and Wizard. I think that both should be used when a player is in beginning process of learning mtts. Thats where these programs help, when we dont know the push/fold spots.
—— I would give villain 15% here without running any numbers.
Marc,
Thank you for being active on the forums. Seems like you might be one of the only ones that do this. Should be the Ask Marc section. Please keep this thread going.
Ok, so im watching your vid “Merge $60/$3.5k Win by Marc “aznAllin007″ Alioto (Part 2)” and had a question that I know would not be answered if I posted there since it's an old vid.
At 16mins, you shove KJs with 40bb from the SB into the BB with 20bb because you didnt want to induce.
1. What hands do we not want to induce that would fold to our shove? My guess is A2-A7o maybe? I think a lot of guys would call bvb with bigger aces and suited aces.
2, What if BB defends wide? Would you like minraising and hoping he flats with some hands you dominate or gets it in post flop with a draw vs your top pair or bigger draw? KJs plays so well post flop vs everything but Ax, which you can rep post flop but he probably cant since he just flatted.
October 29, 2012
Hey Marc-
Thanks for taking some questions. Here’s mine:
I’m transitioning over to MTTs. I work two jobs, have always played cash (micros) for the convenience of time. But now I’m making more time for tournaments, playing twice a week for 6ish hours. I’ve watched a ton of videos, and there are times when I find myself making some new plays, thinking about a hand in a new way, really positive things. Over the last 3 months, playing in micro MTTs (sadly, WAY too many turbos down here), I’ve cashed in 20% of my tournaments, won a couple, and have earned money.
Obviously, there are many weaknesses and leaks that I will have to fix over time, but the most glaring thing that I still see in my game is that I still play scared. I tend to think, man, I don’t want to get in here, I can find better spots, or, we’re so close to the bubble, I’ll just cash, and then shove. Lots of plays and thoughts like that.
So my question to you is, how do you stop playing scared? Is it simply experience? Having more money in my bankroll so my mental bankroll is bigger?
Thanks for your time.
Mike
loxxii said:
Marc,
Thank you for being active on the forums. Seems like you might be one of the only ones that do this. Should be the Ask Marc section. Please keep this thread going.
Ok, so im watching your vid “Merge $60/$3.5k Win by Marc “aznAllin007″ Alioto (Part 2)” and had a question that I know would not be answered if I posted there since it's an old vid.
At 16mins, you shove KJs with 40bb from the SB into the BB with 20bb because you didnt want to induce.
1. What hands do we not want to induce that would fold to our shove? My guess is A2-A7o maybe? I think a lot of guys would call bvb with bigger aces and suited aces.
2, What if BB defends wide? Would you like minraising and hoping he flats with some hands you dominate or gets it in post flop with a draw vs your top pair or bigger draw? KJs plays so well post flop vs everything but Ax, which you can rep post flop but he probably cant since he just flatted.
Thanks for the kind words. I love chatting hands because I want to be the best and this is one of the best ways to get better.
1) Again, I am transitioning into mtts so looking back on this spot, we can def. induce profitably with KJ suited. As I am sure you know, I am DON schooled so protecting one's stack is super important. I dont think shove is bad, i just think people are reshipping way lighter bvb so hands like this often dominate the BB's reship range. I think small pairs and k8 to k10 should be open ripped here. Obvy some qx hands and jx hands as well and a2-a8. I think we can induce a9 off bvb, which i would have never imagined while playing this tournament months ago. I am 90 times better now and have had discussions about this exact spot so i have def. started to induce a lot more from sb and the B.
2)This is another spot which has brought me great diffuculty in my transition to mtts. I now use the “BB defend ” stat on my HUD (ty James Lambert) and have adjusted accordingly. AGainst someone defending heeps, I am totally fine playing KJ suited OOP as it destroys postflop as u mentioned. we can check shove a lot of boards and cbet get it in a ton as well. Especially when a guy defends like 50% of bbs and folds like 60% to cbets. I hope you are using a HUD because in spots like this it is an amazing tool to have. Totally agree that we can rep ace high flops which is why we should be 2.2 xing kj suited here based on villains stack.
Great ?'s
Azn
kennycalhoo said:
Hey Marc-
Thanks for taking some questions. Here's mine:
I'm transitioning over to MTTs. I work two jobs, have always played cash (micros) for the convenience of time. But now I'm making more time for tournaments, playing twice a week for 6ish hours. I've watched a ton of videos, and there are times when I find myself making some new plays, thinking about a hand in a new way, really positive things. Over the last 3 months, playing in micro MTTs (sadly, WAY too many turbos down here), I've cashed in 20% of my tournaments, won a couple, and have earned money.
Obviously, there are many weaknesses and leaks that I will have to fix over time, but the most glaring thing that I still see in my game is that I still play scared. I tend to think, man, I don't want to get in here, I can find better spots, or, we're so close to the bubble, I'll just cash, and then shove. Lots of plays and thoughts like that.
So my question to you is, how do you stop playing scared? Is it simply experience? Having more money in my bankroll so my mental bankroll is bigger?
Thanks for your time.
Mike
Ok, so after reading this I see some major problems which will cause you to grow at a slower pace. Obviously, we must fix this asap.
DO NOT WORRY ABOUT % cashed!!!!!!!
wins is the most important factor in sitngos and mtts. Big dog wrote a great article on this topic “Killer instinct”
READ IT! Its an amazing article and will help you so much in your transition into mtts.
So, how do we get over being scared.
Answer is actually pretty easy. Move down if the money is affecting your play. Instead of looking at the lobby for pay jumps, close the lobby and just focus on your game. The bubble is the most important time during an mtt and the time where you must be the most aggresive. Obviously, there are times where we have a small stack and cant do much but push/fold. With 20 bbs on direct bubble i am looking for every spot where i can find chips. In fact, i bubble tons of mtts because I am so agg and like to take every spot during the money bubble. However, on the flip side, I also get chips during this period which also allows me win more mtts in the long run. Thing is, if you OPR'd a lot of professional players some have 20% itm, others have like 15%, and every time the player with 15% ITM has a much higher roi. **** cashing, aim to win every MTT you play.
I promise you, read killer instinct by big dog. CHANGED my entire outlook on mtts.
gl brother
AZN
Thanks again Marc. I have a few $109 coupons and I cant decide between using them
1. on Sundays with bigger, weaker fields OR
2. during the week with smaller, stronger field.
You dont play on Sundays right? Do you find the higher average strength of the villains during the week worth the trade off?
loxxii said:
Thanks again Marc. I have a few $109 coupons and I cant decide between using them
1. on Sundays with bigger, weaker fields OR
2. during the week with smaller, stronger field.
You dont play on Sundays right? Do you find the higher average strength of the villains during the week worth the trade off?
I have made it a point to play Sundays this year fwiw, there is way too much value and I have to learn to deal with that brutal variance. There is way more $$$ on Sundays because of the FISH. So many fishies. However, i dont know what roll you play on so if 109 is a bigger buy in, I may take the lower variance route and play the earlier 109 during the week.
January 9, 2013
I've been watching your DON vids and I feel like I have a pretty good grasp of what you're trying to get across. I'm curious, though, if the DON situation is still worth going after since Lock left Merge? After Black Friday, I dabbled a little on Lock, but in the past year or so, I've put almost no volume in online. When I play, it would normally be for bursts of a couple of hours at a time, so DONs seemed like the best avenue. I just wanted to make sure they are worth the time. Thanks.
December 31, 2012
This seems like it would be in your realm of expertise. I have never been much of a sng player, so pushfold has never been my strongest suit. I have improved at it, but for the most part I am winging it, just progressivly shoving wider and wider as my stack shrinks. So my question is twofold.
1. How big a leak is it to push/fold kind of by feel, as opposed to knowing what range your are shoving in a spot before you even see your cards?
2. How can a check to see if a shove is good, particularly at lower stakes, where I have extreme trouble assigning a calling range to most villans?
MrStooks said:
I've been watching your DON vids and I feel like I have a pretty good grasp of what you're trying to get across. I'm curious, though, if the DON situation is still worth going after since Lock left Merge? After Black Friday, I dabbled a little on Lock, but in the past year or so, I've put almost no volume in online. When I play, it would normally be for bursts of a couple of hours at a time, so DONs seemed like the best avenue. I just wanted to make sure they are worth the time. Thanks.
100% dons are worth your time, especially the 6 mans. I'm not sure what your average buy in is, but if you play above 25s there is little volume. Under 25 avg buy in, you can get good volume playing the 6 and 10 mans. I agree how with little time Dons are the best choice especially when there are so many fish that just play them like normal 9 men sitngoes. Our edge can be so much higher in these and the fact that they are lower variance allows us to move up the levels quickly. They are also the easiest form of sitngo to multy table so we can increase our hourly rate by putting in massive volume. Rakeback is great and dons allow one to build a bankroll.
Gl to you
Azn
hoosierdawg said:
This seems like it would be in your realm of expertise. I have never been much of a sng player, so pushfold has never been my strongest suit. I have improved at it, but for the most part I am winging it, just progressivly shoving wider and wider as my stack shrinks. So my question is twofold.
1. How big a leak is it to push/fold kind of by feel, as opposed to knowing what range your are shoving in a spot before you even see your cards?
2. How can a check to see if a shove is good, particularly at lower stakes, where I have extreme trouble assigning a calling range to most villans?
1) great ?
If i told you that i had a bet that was profitable based on math, you would take that gamble everytime i would imagine. Therefore, i think we are missing out on spots based on the fact that we aren't aware of the exact math in certain spots. I used to play the push/fold game based on feel, but after looking at some charts i was making huge mistakes which in turn lost me money.
The charts aren't perfect either as they dont take into account ICM, opponents, stack sizes.. etc etc.
However, using experience and the math(push fold charts) you will destroy sitngoes.
You are a lucky man, cause i have the best push fold chart in the world and I am willing to give this to you if you could DM me your skype account. You will see the $$$ rolling in and thank me one day when u ship the main event!
2) Obviously i answered most of this in the above answer.
I will tell you this. In lower stakes you should be pushing wider and calling tighter. HIgh stakes, calling wider pushing tighter. People dont call properly in the lower stakes, and people push too wide in the higher stakes. Shove light into nits, call wide against fish. YOu probably know that, but important to note
This can all change based on a bunch of variables, but for the most part this rule will apply on every site.
GL to you
Azn
I received an email from a fellow TPE member and felt it was important to answer here as there are some really good ?
I notice that for some reason the non turbos fill up significantly faster than the turbos which makes no sense to me since you can achieve higher hourly rate at the turbos getting in more games per hour but,anyways when you were grinding these games did you have to mix turbos and non turbos because of lack of player base and frequency of the reg sppeds going off much more than the turbos? And if so did you find it difficult to constantly differentiate from the two and would you recommend mixing them for the sake of actually getting in relevant volume?
Furthermore in the past I have grinded multi table SNG's and HU hypers a small bit so I have a knowledge of proper push/fold,but is there anywhere you can recommend researching and learning in depth info/strat on DON's ??? I know SNG Wiz ,Pokerstove etc. but are there any forums/videos/free good ebooks
January 9, 2013
marc alioto said:
MrStooks said:
I've been watching your DON vids and I feel like I have a pretty good grasp of what you're trying to get across. I'm curious, though, if the DON situation is still worth going after since Lock left Merge? After Black Friday, I dabbled a little on Lock, but in the past year or so, I've put almost no volume in online. When I play, it would normally be for bursts of a couple of hours at a time, so DONs seemed like the best avenue. I just wanted to make sure they are worth the time. Thanks.
100% dons are worth your time, especially the 6 mans. I'm not sure what your average buy in is, but if you play above 25s there is little volume. Under 25 avg buy in, you can get good volume playing the 6 and 10 mans. I agree how with little time Dons are the best choice especially when there are so many fish that just play them like normal 9 men sitngoes. Our edge can be so much higher in these and the fact that they are lower variance allows us to move up the levels quickly. They are also the easiest form of sitngo to multy table so we can increase our hourly rate by putting in massive volume. Rakeback is great and dons allow one to build a bankroll.
Gl to you
Azn
Thanks for the reply. I currently only have $ on Merge. Do the DONs take off quicker on Lock? I would probably be starting at the $5-$10 BI level until I got my feet wet.
marc alioto said:
I received an email from a fellow TPE member and felt it was important to answer here as there are some really good ?
I notice that for some reason the non turbos fill up significantly faster than the turbos which makes no sense to me since you can achieve higher hourly rate at the turbos getting in more games per hour but,anyways when you were grinding these games did you have to mix turbos and non turbos because of lack of player base and frequency of the reg sppeds going off much more than the turbos? And if so did you find it difficult to constantly differentiate from the two and would you recommend mixing them for the sake of actually getting in relevant volume?
Furthermore in the past I have grinded multi table SNG's and HU hypers a small bit so I have a knowledge of proper push/fold,but is there anywhere you can recommend researching and learning in depth info/strat on DON's ??? I know SNG Wiz ,Pokerstove etc. but are there any forums/videos/free good ebooks
You will have a higher hourly rate playing turbos, but your roi will be higher in the non turbos. When i first started grinding DONs, i had a small roll so i took the lower variance route and stuck to the nons. If you have a nice bankroll, def should be playing more turbos and continue to add the non turbos. It isnt hard to mix in the two as you are shoving based on Big blinds and stack sizes which obviously does not change. I have never had issues but i will say that i try to put the nons in a different section so I know that i can pass on certain plus ev spots because the structure allows it.
There are good don articles out :
MrStooks said:
marc alioto said:
MrStooks said:
I've been watching your DON vids and I feel like I have a pretty good grasp of what you're trying to get across. I'm curious, though, if the DON situation is still worth going after since Lock left Merge? After Black Friday, I dabbled a little on Lock, but in the past year or so, I've put almost no volume in online. When I play, it would normally be for bursts of a couple of hours at a time, so DONs seemed like the best avenue. I just wanted to make sure they are worth the time. Thanks.
100% dons are worth your time, especially the 6 mans. I'm not sure what your average buy in is, but if you play above 25s there is little volume. Under 25 avg buy in, you can get good volume playing the 6 and 10 mans. I agree how with little time Dons are the best choice especially when there are so many fish that just play them like normal 9 men sitngoes. Our edge can be so much higher in these and the fact that they are lower variance allows us to move up the levels quickly. They are also the easiest form of sitngo to multy table so we can increase our hourly rate by putting in massive volume. Rakeback is great and dons allow one to build a bankroll.
Gl to you
Azn
Thanks for the reply. I currently only have $ on Merge. Do the DONs take off quicker on Lock? I would probably be starting at the $5-$10 BI level until I got my feet wet.
Lock has 6 mans which are a nice option. I would def have money on both sites so you can put in the necessary volume in order to maximize our hourly rate.
MaryPoppinsOwes100K said:
Any advice on accumulating chips early in tourneys?
I'm usually playing pretty nitty in the early stages, but that doesnt mean im not seeing a lot of flops. Especially in deeper stacked mtts, u want to be flatting a lot of hands in position which play well postlop. Suited connectors, broadways and all pairs have tremendous value in the early stages of mtts.
some advice….
take detailed notes on players, label the fish, the regs etc etc
Early in mtts, ill flat so wide in or out of pos against the fish as they are willing to take negative ev gambles and will stack off much wider than other Villains. Note taking will change your life and allow you to accumulate massive stacks early in mtts.
gl to you
Azn
May 31, 2012
I've just read your article and I loved it. Awesome to see TPE members/pros succeed. A couple of questions:
1) Give us the schedule of your regular grind day. When do you wake up? What do you do before grinding? Do you prepare food before a session? Do you go straight to bed after a session? When do you study? etc.
2) How many tables do you play on average? Have you ever thought about playing lesse tables? (I usually play on 8-10 tables at the beginning of a session but I'm kind of glad when I bust MTTs at the end of a session and it gets down to 5-6 tables. I then take waaaaay more notes on people, notice tendencies, take / notice every 3bet spot that I missed earlier while on autopilot etc)
3) What does your bankroll management look like? How many BIs do you need before playing a MTT a) on a regular schedule and b) taking a shot?
4) Do you think that MTTs will stay beatable in the future and what is the minimum ABI someone needs to play at to make a living by playing MTTs?
May 31, 2012
It was a blog, not an article, sorry .. I just clicked on it via Facebook haha.
Here you go: …..g-trained/
April 16, 2013
Hey Marc,
You mentioned that the strongest part of your game is push/fold. I feel that I need to work on that part of my game for late stages of sng and mtts. Do you have any advice for how I should do this? You mentioned charts in an earlier post. How did you go about learning everything about push/fold. (Shove ranges as well as calling ranges)
Thanks for taking these questions btw 🙂
black666 said:
I've just read your article and I loved it. Awesome to see TPE members/pros succeed. A couple of questions:
1) Give us the schedule of your regular grind day. When do you wake up? What do you do before grinding? Do you prepare food before a session? Do you go straight to bed after a session? When do you study? etc.
2) How many tables do you play on average? Have you ever thought about playing lesse tables? (I usually play on 8-10 tables at the beginning of a session but I'm kind of glad when I bust MTTs at the end of a session and it gets down to 5-6 tables. I then take waaaaay more notes on people, notice tendencies, take / notice every 3bet spot that I missed earlier while on autopilot etc)
3) What does your bankroll management look like? How many BIs do you need before playing a MTT a) on a regular schedule and b) taking a shot?
4) Do you think that MTTs will stay beatable in the future and what is the minimum ABI someone needs to play at to make a living by playing MTTs?
1) wake up around 8 or 9 and the first thing i will do is grab my coffee. Than i usually check over some hands i played the night before that were in ?. I go over the different lines i could have taken, maybe folding some hands pre, different shove spots that were close… I do not prepare food, but will have plenty of water and will eat roughly 3 hrs into session during a break. If i could, i would eat before grinding as sometimes i get dizzy or feel weak because of lack of food. Coffee fck that up. After session i will usually do some back work, stretches, foam roller etc etc. Watch sports and 99% of the time will fall asleep to TPE vids or different poker shows. high stakes, epts and live streams if they exist. My studying consists of reading books, watching vids which i usually do about an hour a day. Studying is so under-rated imo and a must to become the best.
2) I have lowered my tabels from 16-20 to 6-8. I play so much better and use the HUD way less because i am so much more focused on the games. Game flow and player tendencies are impossible to gauge if we are 20 tabling so i def. think less tables is the way to go.
3) I likw to have 50 buy ins for anything i am playing. The only way im taking shots is if i satty into something or if someone buys a piece of me. I believe taking shots on my own dime is negative EV and i would rather grind with what i have and move up stakes that way.
4)For me, as long as I work as hard as I do, I feel any game i play will be beatable. Poker evolves weekly and I make it a point to pay attention to the new trends. Work hard and poker will alwys be beatable imo
June 19, 2013
Hey Marc,
New subscriber here. I was an online MTT pro for 4 years before Black Friday and am now getting back into playing but mainly live. With most live tourney structures not allowing for as much play as say a regular online tourney would, are you more apt to amp up the aggression and take chances as the blinds catch up to you or do you think it’s +EV to remain patient with anywhere from 10-30bbs?
I’ve only played in a small sample size of live tourneys so far(Borgata Open, Circuit events,etc.), but I’ve exercised patience and my typical fold/shove/squeeze ranges that I would use online without much success so far. I’m wondering if I need to be taking more chances even though I always felt like my short stack play was one of my strongest skills while playing online.
Thanks,
Jameson
May 30, 2012
Hey Marc, thanks for having this thread available for questions, much appreciated! Can you outline the structures and various buy-in options of the SnGs at the Rio during WSOP. I have played the SnG sats at Venetian with good success in the past and wondering what to expect at the Rio. Thanks in advance
April 26, 2013
Hey marc,
great thread so far.
Now, after a terrible full month with lots of bad beats before and at FT that cost me several k of $ I was wondering what you can tell us about variance.
In my case I was playing about 1100 games in May and had a ROI of 145%. Next month I had a much bigger BR, so my ABI was 4x of previous month but played only about 450 games. My ROI was slightly above 0. Now this month I have slightly reduced my ABI but am down to about -60% ROI playing approx 140 games so far.
Any advice on this?
TheDrake's question on low BB play is something that interests me as well. Do you tend to 3bet shove marginal hands or do you try to tighten up a bit and get it in with a better chance to actually be ahead?
Thanks a lot for taking all these questions!
TheDrake said:
Hey Marc,
New subscriber here. I was an online MTT pro for 4 years before Black Friday and am now getting back into playing but mainly live. With most live tourney structures not allowing for as much play as say a regular online tourney would, are you more apt to amp up the aggression and take chances as the blinds catch up to you or do you think it's +EV to remain patient with anywhere from 10-30bbs?
I've only played in a small sample size of live tourneys so far(Borgata Open, Circuit events,etc.), but I've exercised patience and my typical fold/shove/squeeze ranges that I would use online without much success so far. I'm wondering if I need to be taking more chances even though I always felt like my short stack play was one of my strongest skills while playing online.
Thanks,
Jameson
Welcom Jameson,
I apologize for delayed response, but im sure you understand as i was grinding in Vegas. Staying patient can be good in certain spots, but i believe aggression is the best recipe for success live. People are not calling correctly live so pushing wider and calling tighter is the best strategy imo. In the early stages i play way more pots live than online because players are way more likely to make mistakes. Casey and I talked about this on several occasions, and both agree that playing tons of hand in the early levels is the way to go. You just cant get value online doing this but live the fish wont fold a pair. I had a lot of success in the ventians doing this and Casey was able to accumulate monster stacks in the 1k and 1500 wsops.
The only major adjustment i have made live is calling ranges. I was calling way to wide (online wide) and it was a huge leak. Remember, the live fish wont call properly hence why we can still ship our normal online range(sometimes wider).
PLAY MORE HANDS IN POSITION early. A lot of the circuit and borgatas have great structures. I would rather play less tournaments that our bigger buy ins and better structured than a bunch of turbo small stakes. Bigger stacks allow the better players to prevail.
hopefully this helps
Gl jameson
TPE NATION all day everyday
Spyderweb said:
Hey Marc, thanks for having this thread available for questions, much appreciated! Can you outline the structures and various buy-in options of the SnGs at the Rio during WSOP. I have played the SnG sats at Venetian with good success in the past and wondering what to expect at the Rio. Thanks in advance
fck me, wish i could have answered this earlier. My apologies.
FOr future games at the rio, i would play 275$ + because you get 1500 chips as opposed to 1000.
the 225 and below all have 1k starting stacks and basically become hyper turbos. Loxxi(fellow tpe member) could help you with this more as he played them all summer. I only played 2 this yr as i really focused on mtts this year during the WSOP. SItngoes at the rio are 10x better than venetians because you can put in an absurd amount of volume at any time during the day. Also, early in the morning or later at night would be the best times to grind. Older crowd early, drunks at night. easy $$$$
GL spyder
AZN
TPE NATION!!!
Sen said:
Hey marc,
great thread so far.
Now, after a terrible full month with lots of bad beats before and at FT that cost me several k of $ I was wondering what you can tell us about variance.
In my case I was playing about 1100 games in May and had a ROI of 145%. Next month I had a much bigger BR, so my ABI was 4x of previous month but played only about 450 games. My ROI was slightly above 0. Now this month I have slightly reduced my ABI but am down to about -60% ROI playing approx 140 games so far.
Any advice on this?TheDrake's question on low BB play is something that interests me as well. Do you tend to 3bet shove marginal hands or do you try to tighten up a bit and get it in with a better chance to actually be ahead?
Thanks a lot for taking all these questions!
SO were talking online—
I am the wrong person to ask about variance as I haven't been into mtts that long. If i were you, i would look at a bunch of pro's sharkscope graphs, Officialpokerratings graphs, to see the swings they have gone on. From the looks of it everything that has happened to you seems pretty standard imo. I have heard of way worse swings so its probably nothing to worry about. Def depends on if you are playing turbos as well because the swings in turbos can get insane.
Against certain opponents, i will 3 bet shove much wider with bigger amount of bbs. FOr instance, if B opens and he is opening 75% of B i willl reshove up to 30bbs with smaller pairs and certain broadways. I basically take what the table will give me. There are many situations where i will fold down to 8-10bbs from an 18bb stack because the table just hasnt given me a spot. That doesnt mean i am passing on spots, sometimes we just dont get them. I always say its “player dependent” which makes this ? really tough to answer because every situation will change based on someones' aggression.
Do you use a HUD?
If so, you should def be using more steal % in order to get your reship game to where it needs to be. Some players open 60% of the time folded to in the cutoff, but only 20% of the time from the hijack. These types of stats make it really easy when we are deciding to ship light or not.
Also, think about your opponents calling range. If he is calling a10 plus, dont ship a4, ship a hand like 76 suited. He is going to fold most of the time but the times he does call our equity in the hand will be higher because we are less likely to be dominated.
Hope this all helps
GL my man
AZN
TPE NATION!
michae1di11on said:
Hey Marc,
You mentioned that the strongest part of your game is push/fold. I feel that I need to work on that part of my game for late stages of sng and mtts. Do you have any advice for how I should do this? You mentioned charts in an earlier post. How did you go about learning everything about push/fold. (Shove ranges as well as calling ranges)
Thanks for taking these questions btw 🙂
Sitngo wizard is an amazing tool to learn push fold. BUY it, you will thank me when the $$$ comes rolling in.
I didnt have sitngo wizard coming up the ranks in sitngoes, i learned from grinding out massive amounts of games and adjusting to opponents. Sitngo wizard will save you so much time but make sure you adjust properly to your opponents. That will come with experience but wizard will help for the first couple of months. Once you figure out standard push/fold spots, you will automatically adjust your range based on opponents and your table image. Just takes time….
GL my dude
Azn
February 18, 2013
Hi Marc
You mentioned earlier in this post that you needed 50 BIs for anything you are playing – do you think this is a big enough bankroll for playing only MTTs?
I read the article below and have changed to a 1/250 rule – if my total bankroll across all sites is $1.5k then I cap my average MTT buy-in at $6 – I might play some $6 MTTs, with a $2 and $10 mixed in.
Do you think this is too cautious?
Cheers, I bet Vegas was a blast? (One day….)
October 6, 2010
i know this is marc's thread, but i reackon you cant be too cautious with your bankroll. tour bankroll guidelines sound good, i might mix in a $22 game here and there just for fun, or try and satellite into something bigger once in a while
March 21, 2013
Al29 said:
Hi Marc
You mentioned earlier in this post that you needed 50 BIs for anything you are playing – do you think this is a big enough bankroll for playing only MTTs?
I read the article below and have changed to a 1/250 rule – if my total bankroll across all sites is $1.5k then I cap my average MTT buy-in at $6 – I might play some $6 MTTs, with a $2 and $10 mixed in.
Do you think this is too cautious?
Cheers, I bet Vegas was a blast? (One day….)
If you're grinding MTT's this is really not solid bankroll management, I would estimate that your risk of ruin (chance of going broke) is >20%. I myself grind fulltime and see 100BI swings pretty frequently (especially when playing loads of big field MTT's where big cashes are rare)
You could play with 50BI but be sure to move up and down and keep strict to your BI strategy
Edit: sorry mark, just realized it's your thread
May 31, 2012
Al29 said:
You mentioned earlier in this post that you needed 50 BIs for anything you are playing – do you think this is a big enough bankroll for playing only MTTs?
I read the article below and have changed to a 1/250 rule – if my total bankroll across all sites is $1.5k then I cap my average MTT buy-in at $6 – I might play some $6 MTTs, with a $2 and $10 mixed in.
Do you think this is too cautious?
Don't forget that Marc plays on Merge with smaller field sizes. As the fields get bigger (PokerStars, micro limits,…) the variance also increases and you need a way bigger bankroll than if you would only be playing 200 player fields. It also depends on your discipline and if you can move down. The 100BI rule is enough if you move down in stakes once you reach 70-80BI. If you are like “no way I'm moving down, I'm supposed to be playing the Big 22 on Stars with all the fish” then you should pick a bigger bankroll requirement.
October 6, 2010
its important to distinguish if you are talking about maximum buyin or average buyin here.
i really like the 200-250 ABI rule – i.e for a 3k-5k roll i play ABI 15-20, and maximum $50 tourneys.
i think this works well and gives you great flexibility, because dropping out a couple of the highest buyin tourneys if you are on a downswing lowers overall buyins significantly, and it doesnt really feel like you are “dropping down” in stakes either.
Al29 said:
Hi Marc
You mentioned earlier in this post that you needed 50 BIs for anything you are playing – do you think this is a big enough bankroll for playing only MTTs?
I read the article below and have changed to a 1/250 rule – if my total bankroll across all sites is $1.5k then I cap my average MTT buy-in at $6 – I might play some $6 MTTs, with a $2 and $10 mixed in.
Do you think this is too cautious?
Cheers, I bet Vegas was a blast? (One day….)
FIrst off i want to be clear that anyone can answer ? in this thread. This site is for all of us to get better (including myself) so everyone's opinion is welcome here.
Again, my problem with bankroll management ?s are that i do not play many turbos. I think i would do really well in them, i just choose a different approach and feel like im not getting better by playing them. I have already mastered push/fold so playing deeper is where i need to improve. I also dont play them because I try to minimize my downswings in order to stay mentally focused on the game. Variance can cause major mental problems for a guy like me who is so emotionally invested in the game. I would rather stay clear away from massive swings so removing turbos has helped that.
I def think you have the right mentality when it comes to your guidelines. I think they are a bit too cautious, but i dont think that is a bad thing. As a professional gambler, my goal is to increase my bankroll in order to move up stakes. The problem with your cautious guidelines is that your growth is limited while playing those stakes. CHances of going broke are slim tho, so I dont think its a massive leak.
If you are playing on stars, i see no problem playing up to 11$ buy ins with 1.5k if you arent playing turbos.
DannyN13 could help you more with some guidelines if you do want to play turbos. He is the turbo BOSS of TPE
GL my man
bennymacca said:
its important to distinguish if you are talking about maximum buyin or average buyin here.
i really like the 200-250 ABI rule – i.e for a 3k-5k roll i play ABI 15-20, and maximum $50 tourneys.
i think this works well and gives you great flexibility, because dropping out a couple of the highest buyin tourneys if you are on a downswing lowers overall buyins significantly, and it doesnt really feel like you are “dropping down” in stakes either.
Could not agree more.
This doesnt mean we should shoot our shit in a 215 turbo and play a 1 dollar freeze to keep the ABI down. I prefer using a maximum buy in approach as i feel its more suited towards my style. Think this could be a good article IMO
October 6, 2010
yeah it seems that without thinking about it i keep close to to a 100BI for my maximum buyin, though it may even be somewhat more aggressive than that. i think it matters how often you play too.
i.e i play only one or two $50 tourneys in a session, which usually has 12-14 tourneys. even with a 4k roll i might do this, so that would be 1/80th. but these are small field tourneys so i can prolly get a way with it a bit. i wouldnt go playing the nightly 30k every single time etc.
i guess if there is a ton of games at any given stakes then maximum might mean more, but in australian night times when i pretty much play everything that i want except for a couple of 75s and 109s, it means i have to be pretty flexible with what i want to play, but i almost prefer that. i play a mix of higher buyin small field games, i also register for the $5 hypers etc. thing i like about the way i do it is there are no step changes in skill level – to “move up” stakes i just drop out a $5 and play an extra $40-$50 for the night
so it might come down to your individual style and goals. but until you find your niche, i would be as conservative as you possibly can be.
bennymacca said:
yeah it seems that without thinking about it i keep close to to a 100BI for my maximum buyin, though it may even be somewhat more aggressive than that. i think it matters how often you play too.
i.e i play only one or two $50 tourneys in a session, which usually has 12-14 tourneys. even with a 4k roll i might do this, so that would be 1/80th. but these are small field tourneys so i can prolly get a way with it a bit. i wouldnt go playing the nightly 30k every single time etc.
i guess if there is a ton of games at any given stakes then maximum might mean more, but in australian night times when i pretty much play everything that i want except for a couple of 75s and 109s, it means i have to be pretty flexible with what i want to play, but i almost prefer that. i play a mix of higher buyin small field games, i also register for the $5 hypers etc. thing i like about the way i do it is there are no step changes in skill level – to “move up” stakes i just drop out a $5 and play an extra $40-$50 for the night
so it might come down to your individual style and goals. but until you find your niche, i would be as conservative as you possibly can be.
“”””so it might come down to your individual style and goals. but until you find your niche, i would be as conservative as you possibly can be. “”””
Love this, everybody has a different attitude towards the game. Stay conservative until you find exactly what makes you the most money. Lets face it, no matter what our style is, we are all trying to make money. Whatever approach keeps you mentally focused on what you are trying to achieve in poker is the way to go.
June 3, 2012
Don't really have much history with villain, he just got to the table a few hands ago, hand prior to this one he had opened blind v blind, I defended, and folded to a flop bet. I kind of wanted to establish a precedent that he is not going to be able to just come and run the table over. On the turn, should I be shoving, folding, or just calling? I feel like flop sizing could've been bigger, as I'd like this sizing more on a dry flop.
Merge – $30+$3|<> NL – Holdem – 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
UTG+1 (UTG+1): 2,940 (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
UTG+2 (UTG+2): 6,158 (VPIP: 24.19, PFR: 9.68, 3Bet Preflop: 3.23, Hands: 62)
MP (MP): 5,307 (VPIP: 10.96, PFR: 5.48, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 74)
MP+1 (MP+1): 11,169 (VPIP: 36.36, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 11)
CO (CO): 11,410 (VPIP: 15.49, PFR: 5.63, 3Bet Preflop: 3.23, Hands: 71)
BTN (BTN): 32,962 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
Hero (SB): 13,155
BB (BB): 9,876 (VPIP: 24.00, PFR: 17.57, 3Bet Preflop: 2.94, Hands: 75)
UTG (UTG): 5,942 (VPIP: 13.51, PFR: 9.59, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 74)
9 players post ante of 15, Hero posts SB 75, BB posts BB 150
Dealt to Hero: A 7
fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 300, Hero raises to 780, fold, BTN calls 480
Flop (1,845, 2 players): 4 T 9
Hero bets 675, BTN calls 675
Turn (3,195, 2 players): 8
Hero bets 1,850, BTN raises to 3,750, Hero calls 1,900
River (10,695, 2 players): 9
Hero checks, BTN bets 8,021, fold
BTN wins 10,695
I think the open and cbet are fine.
When he raises, I think he's doing it because I c-bet so small, I'd been active, and I'd c-bet this flop regardless of my hand. I figured he'd just call with a K. He doesnt have KK or TT since I'd been active. He's repping 55, two pair, or QJ. He has these or pure air. No marginal hand would check raise me on the flop. I'd expect his strong hands to bet on the turn and I'd happily fold or take it away from his air if he checks.
When he checks the turn, I barrel to get him off of the air he raised flop with. I figured he has to give me credit for at least a K or A. When he just calls the turn on this wet board, I know he isn't strong. I figured he either turned a heart draw with his air or he hit that A. Im leaning towards the A because a lot of people would shove turn with the heart draw.
When he bets small on the river, I definitely dont think he has the hearts. I figured I could get him off of a weak ace with a shove since he put that scared little blocking bet out there.
Apparently my soul is an open book.
gg.
June 16, 2012
Merge No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t/t Blinds – 2 players – View hand 2428522
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
This hand is from 10k nightly hu on MERGE. Up to this point i felt i had upper hand on the villain. At the time he was an unknown player. I was leaning toward him being just a random guy and thats how I played him. He was the CL during most of the FT and played aggro but not too crazy on a table full of good regs. To this point we barely 3 bet each other maybe once PF. HU he started with 3 to 2 lead in chips but quickly changed that in my advantage. We were 97bb(me) and 68bb (him) deep…
Hero (BB): t425855 1 BBs – VPIP: 27, PFR: 18, 3B: 7, AF: 2.0, Hands: 127368
Player9 (BTN/SB): t304145 1 BBs – VPIP: 37, PFR: 31, 3B: 14, AF: 3.1, Hands: 352
Pre Flop: (t0) Hero is BB with 9 9
Player9 raises to t6750, Hero calls t6750
Flop: (t13500) 8 9 A (2 players)
Hero checks, Player9 bets t8800, Hero raises to t17600, Player9 calls t8800
Turn: (t48700) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets t22500, Player9 raises to t69000, Hero calls t46500
River: (t186700) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, Player9 bets t98800, Hero?
January 15, 2013
Satty to $530 seat to WSOP.com New Jersey online championships, FT, seven players left, only two spots pay. Villian is Vestadium, a solid, aggressive reg (no HUD stats since it is WSOP.com). If it factors into your thought process on the hand at all, he and I have already won seats, so we're just playing for the cash (WSOP pays cash, not t dollars, for multiple seats won). Also, the table is loaded (only one player is less than solid), so good spots are not going to be plentiful. I am the cl, he is 3rd.
#Game No : 438513270
***** WSOP.com Hand History for Game 438513270 *****
$150/$300 Blinds No Limit Holdem – ***
Tournament #141316 $20 + $2 – Table #1 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: Daytona103 ( $19,366 )
Seat 2: Mycology ( $7,140 )
Seat 3: smaulerg ( $6,380 )
Seat 5: cben99 ( $9,143 )
Seat 6: cantbeatyou ( $19,833 )
Seat 7: chewbroccoli ( $18,277 )
Seat 9: Redhotmomma ( $6,361 )
Daytona103 posts ante [$25]
cben99 posts ante [$25]
Mycology posts ante [$25]
cantbeatyou posts ante [$25]
chewbroccoli posts ante [$25]
Redhotmomma posts ante [$25]
smaulerg posts ante [$25]
chewbroccoli posts small blind [$150]
Redhotmomma posts big blind [$300]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to cantbeatyou [ 8d, 8h ]
Daytona103 folds
Mycology folds
smaulerg folds
cben99 folds
cantbeatyou raises [$600]
chewbroccoli raises [$1,593]
Redhotmomma folds
cantbeatyou raises [$2,886]
chewbroccoli calls [$1,743]
** Dealing flop ** [ 4d, 2c, 4s ]
chewbroccoli bets [$14,766]
cantbeatyou ???
This 49 bb overshove REALLY took me by surprise. It screams A-K to me from a solid player, but how certain do I need to be given my chip position? Any thoughts appreciated, including on my 4 betting pre and sizing.
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