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May 22, 2016
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It’s the Final Table of a $5 DeepStack tourney on 888 poker, Prizes as follows:
9th: $38
8th: $55
7th: $75ish
6th: $100
5th: $135
4th: $180
3rd: $240
2nd: $345
1st: $455
Tried to use the Hand History convertor, but it just shows a loading sign then doesn’t do anything when I paste this in, any idea why anyone?
$2,500/$5,000 Blinds No Limit Holdem – *** 12 11 2016 22:54:44
Tournament #90462504 $4.50 + $0.50 – Table #45 9 Max (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: joquebec69 ( $137,129 )
Seat 2: JJokocza ( $314,465 )
Seat 3: Markus103er ( $369,573 )
Seat 4: ScotFish14 ( $163,646 )
Seat 5: champion126 ( $627,165 )
Seat 6: warriorfrog ( $167,296 )
Seat 7: NL_Basmach ( $156,962 )
Seat 9: RunekXX ( $311,727 )
Seat 10: wwwooon ( $432,037 )
RunekXX posts ante [$625]
joquebec69 posts ante [$625]
warriorfrog posts ante [$625]
JJokocza posts ante [$625]
ScotFish14 posts ante [$625]
Markus103er posts ante [$625]
champion126 posts ante [$625]
NL_Basmach posts ante [$625]
wwwooon posts ante [$625]
ScotFish14 posts small blind [$2,500]
champion126 posts big blind [$5,000]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ScotFish14 [ Qh, Ad ]
warriorfrog folds
NL_Basmach folds
RunekXX folds
wwwooon folds
joquebec69 folds
JJokocza raises [$14,062]
Markus103er folds
ScotFish14 raises [$42,500]
champion126 folds
JJokocza raises [$299,778]
ScotFish14 calls [$118,021]
** Dealing flop ** [ 3d, Ts, 6s ]
** Dealing turn ** [ 8d ]
** Dealing river ** [ 3c ]
** Summary **
JJokocza shows [ As, Kc ]
ScotFish14 shows [ Qh, Ad ]
JJokocza collected [ $336,667 ]
Reads on players are as follows:
Reasonably tough FT, only one confirmed losing player according to SharkScope which is Runekxx on 62bb.
Villain in this hand is up $17.5k lifetime over 3000+ tourneys, and has 34VPIP, 29PFR, 11.73bet over 164 hands played with him during this tournament, during which he has mostly had a big stack. Some history, as we’ve tangled in a few pots where I’ve 3-bet him light and barrelled him off, and 3-bet him strong and shown down so definitely have a reasonably aggressive image.
Previous hand I lost 20bb on a 2 street bluff bvb where I ended up showing down Q3s so he may perceive me as tilting?
Anyway, I was hoping to get everyone’s opinion on this play. Is AQus ahead of his range? To the extent that it is am I better flatting and playing OOP and seeing the flop, or 3-bet folding?
I was also worried about the ICM implications, which is why I’ve included the payouts.
Once I’ve had a few responses I’ll post my thoughts at the time, and my thoughts post. I may also post up the bluff from the previous hand to get people’s ideas on it.
Thanks!
June 2, 2013
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Almost 3bb raise is a regular thing for this player? Most winner players are mini raising this late on mtts this days.
I don´t like to 3bet fold with ~33bb, 8.5bb 3bet is about 26% or your stack, problem is if you think that all worst hands than AQ will fold, and get 4bet from AQ+, TT+, against that range you have 34.4% equity to win. If you include AJ and 99 on V´s range your equity goes to 42.69%
With the BB at 12bb stack, I rather call, and expect a shove from BB and an iso from the original raiser with a wider range than AJ+,99+
Another thing, if called, pot will be ~93k and you will have ~121k, are you cbetting most flops? Is V capable of calling with monsters to trap you? Is he capable of floating really light to shove you ott?
I would take the more passive line and call oop.
February 20, 2015
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Missing zero. BB actually has 120BB. There are actually no short stacks at this table, which seems strange.
If you’re confident in your post-flop play then flatting pre is fine. I’m still working on mine, so I would have this hand in my 3-bet fold range. It sounds like because of my stack size it might be better to just fold pre if I’m so worried about being 4 bet? I don’t think I get 4-bet very often, so I’m fine with 3-bet folding here. But I’m also starting to think that that’s too simplistic a strategy.
February 20, 2015
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Of course then I’m turning AQ into a bluff, aren’t I, unless I can count on a flat in position
July 7, 2012
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This is one of those borderline spots mathematically im not convinced there is a right or wrong answer. I think it has to come down to any read you have on the player, history between you, and your gut instinct. If V snap shipped on you i’d be strongly inclined to fold as his range is going to be TT+ AQs+ and he had already pre-decided he wanted to get it in.
At the end of the day if you 3bet fold this spot you still have 20+bbs left and a full orbit until the blinds come back round. if a couple of people had already been knocked out of the FT I’d be more inclined to get this in and go for the win. With a full table and an OK stack (depending on table dynamics) I might be more inclined to fold.
July 7, 2012
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PS well done for making the Final Table 
May 22, 2016
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Thanks everyone for your responses, and for the congratulations Turbulence :D.
A couple things make me convinced that this play was a mistake, and not just being results orientated, but firstly, as almofadinhas refers to, this was an unusually large raise size as before he had been closer to min-raising. When I then re-raised him he pretty much immediately jammed and my gut feeling was that I was beaten/flipping at best because he basically never does this with AJ.
As for the actual optimum line I can see arguments for both calling and raise folding. The temptation of calling is that I can under-rep my hand, and be relatively happy about calling down on an A or Q high board unless he does something obvious, and depending on the board texture I can represent straights and low 2 pairs better than if I re-raise pre.
The issue I have with raise-folding is that as joelshitshow says, it ends up turning AQ into a bluff, where you are usually folding out worse and getting shoved on by better, as well as having a few awkward hands where he calls in position and you’re left with a low stack to pot ratio OOP and an unclear idea of what villain has.
I ended up checking the results on PocketFives and villain did go on to win the tournament, and currently has just under $1million in cashes since he started tracking results in 2012, which certainly confirms my read on his being one of the strongest players at the table at the time. Given all this, I think my preffered pre-flop move is to call and try and react accordingly to different flops.
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