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August 10, 2014
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This is another spot where I worry that meta is getting the better of me. I look at this action and think, “man that is pretty good spot to 3b the button”. The two flatters are clearly weak players.
Am I giving people at these stakes too much credit here?
Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) – 400/800 NL – Holdem – 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
MP+1: 13,928 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 30.00, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 10)
MP+2: 31,369 (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, Hands: 8)
CO: 58,887 (VPIP: 43.75, PFR: 18.75, 3Bet Preflop: 22.22, Hands: 16)
BTN: 25,703 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
SB: 44,844 (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
BB: 20,066 (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
Hero (UTG): 33,220
UTG+1: 21,112 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
MP: 29,103 (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
9 players post ante of 75, SB posts SB 400, BB posts BB 800
Pre Flop: (pot: 1,875) Hero has A
Q
[color=red]Hero raises to 1,600[/color], fold, fold, MP+1 calls 1,600, MP+2 calls 1,600, fold, [color=red]BTN raises to 5,600[/color], fold, fold, [color=red]Hero raises to 33,145 and is all-in[/color], fold, fold, BTN calls 20,028 and is all-in
Flop: (56,331, 2 players) 7
5
8
Turn: (56,331, 2 players) A
River: (56,331, 2 players) T
September 14, 2014
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I think the only options you have here is to 3-bet shove or to fold , i dont like flatting here , to find out if our 3-bet shove is going to be ev+ is to figure out v r/c range and that really really depends on what villians r/c range is going to be. V raise is really big pre , so i dont think they are folding here to often IMO ,. you may also have noticed the mp1 has like 17bb , so they've pretty much commited themself to a shove from mp1 and mp2. So i reckon they're going to have a rather tight r/c call range , something like 99+ AQs+.
I think i'll find a fold here.
February 20, 2015
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Definitely can't call because you don't complete the action. MP+1 confuses me because he called with 17BB. He needs to ship or fold.
Anyway, this is the kind of hand that gets me in trouble because I want to have a big stack, and these are the kinds of hands that give you a big stack. The button's range is wider than normal if he's just trying to take it down, although is 3.5x a small 3-bet because of the flatters?
September 14, 2014
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btw what’s your image? is their any dynamic’s between you and v? just don’ think the buttons range is going to be wide here ,you should either 4’bet shove or fold , i’d opt for the fold. Probably get it in here with AKs TT+ it would be wider if i had read that v has a wider value range. yeah mp1 is short, he might flat here with strong hands or crap lol , never the less , hero does not complete the action so i agree that folding is ideal here.
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