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AQs live call, fold or shove against a reg on a rag board.
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August 9, 2014 - 6:46 am
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Live $100 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t2000/t4000 Blinds + t500 – 6 players

This hand was taken from a live small stakes tournament.  I had moved to the table an orbit or so ago doubled up first hand with AK vs 66.  Since then I had played a number of hands due to a good run of cards.

I have seen the tag reg on the button play a number of times,  he is a good solid player capable of making moves.  He had recently 5 bet Bob with KJo from the blinds.

 

The hand plays as follows: 

 

tagreg (BTN): BB = 40.0, t160000
sirlimpsalot (SB): BB = 31.3, t125000
nittyoldman (BB): BB = 22.5, t90000
bob (UTG): BB = 18.8, t75000
Hero (MP): BB = 36.8, t147000
weaktight (CO): BB = 11.3, t45000

Pre Flop: (t9000) Hero is MP with A of spades Q of spades
1 fold, Hero raises to t9500, 1 fold, tagreg calls t9500, sirlimpsalot calls t7500, 1 fold

Flop: (t35500) 8 of clubs 4 of hearts 2 of clubs (3 players)
sirlimpsalot checks, Hero bets t18000, tagreg raises to t41500, sirlimpsalot folds, Hero ???

 

Keen to get your thoughts.

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August 9, 2014 - 7:56 am
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I don't see any reason why would shove this. Consider your own range for opening from EP and then betting into two players on this flop. Is this not one of the worst hands you could have? It's generally correct to fold those to a raise.

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Yeah that is what I ended up doing in the end,   I just felt like he could be raising in this spot with a fairly wide range as he knows that this kind of flop won't hit my hand all that often and given my imagine at the table at this point,  having opened a fair number of hands,  I just felt like he maybe exploiting the situation.

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August 10, 2014 - 9:28 am
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I know the feeling. The thing is that folding the bottom of your range is unexploitable. As long as you don't Ac Qc or 99 here, you don't have to worry about getting exploited. Think of it this way: it's possible that he made a bad raise and got lucky to run into the bottom of your range, but just like when someone makes a bad call and sucks out on you, it doesn't mean that they exploited you or you made a mistake.

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Yeah that makes sense.  What if you hand a like 5's or 6's in this spot?

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Definitely folding here. Probably cbetting a little smaller and opening a little smaller preflop, too.

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August 14, 2014 - 7:34 am
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Actually, forget that part about opening smaller, I misread it. But I certainly wouldn’t go any bigger than 2.5x when you’re only 36bb deep to start the hand. I think minraising is fine.

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Gazza_Dee7 said:

Yeah that makes sense.  What if you hand a like 5's or 6's in this spot?

I think they are even worse for shoving than AQ. What matters is not the absolute strength of the hand but rather your equity vs Villain's calling range. When called, AQ will at least sometimes be drawing to 6 outs, whereas 55 will usually be drawing to 2.

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what do you guys think about checking flop and possibly check/calling a bet and then proceeding from there?

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Would a cbet not get enough folds though to make it profitable in the long run?

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bennymacca said:

what do you guys think about checking flop and possibly check/calling a bet and then proceeding from there?

What would your bet-folding range look like in this case?

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ZakLawson said:

Would a cbet not get enough folds though to make it profitable in the long run?

Not that I necessarily disagree with c-betting, but there's more to it than this. Just because betting isn't profitable doesn't mean that check-calling isn't even more profitable.

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Foucault said:

bennymacca said:

what do you guys think about checking flop and possibly check/calling a bet and then proceeding from there?

What would your bet-folding range look like in this case?

all of my air. i.e QJ, 9T, etc etc. 

 

I think Aq is good enough here a bit of the time that its worth at least seeing a turn, and not turning it into a bluff by cbetting. I would like doing this even more if you hat at least 1 club. 

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