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June 9, 2014
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Hi,
playing in a live $230 tournament. 47 runners started. Down to 19 about 4 hours in.
Blinds 800/1600 with no antes
Tables have only recently consolidated down from 3 to 2. Ten players at the table. Of the ten, five players that have seen my play for at least 2 hours and will give this mid 50's guy some credit for playing tight. Four new players to table. Maybe one orbit completed since tables consolidated
Wake up with AQo UTG+1 and 9 BB
Is this a strong enough hand to open-Shove with in this scenario? (AQo is a hand I am not in love with, but I'm getting short – Average stack is around 19BB or around 30 K.
Edit: Edited to make clearer that there are ten players at the table.
November 4, 2013
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One interesting thing about this situation is that there are no antes, making initial pots smaller and giving your stack a little more staying power. I have learned that with no antes the correct thing to do is tighten up.
However it seems that you are in fact getting low enough that you need to play spots like these. AQo in utg+1 could be a fold early on when stacks are deep and you decide you don’t want to play post flop out of position.
Here however I think you have a shove on your hands. It’s too bad you probably won’t get called by too much that you dominate, but at least it’s likely you’d pick up the initial pot, and also pretty likely you get called and flip, which isn’t so terrible.
May 30, 2012
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Not much to think about in my mind in this spot. SHOVE and do a happy dance. Happy you got it in with a premuim of sorts. You can't ask for much better…….
May 20, 2013
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Since your shove range should include even lower than AQo with 9BB (especially 5 handed), this is a snap-insta-gomer-pile,
5 handed and 9 BB and not the bubble? I think you can do this with any ace, K7s+.
August 16, 2013
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I tried a very analytical approach to this hand, and here's what I found out :
if you shove, I think a realistic range for someone to call is AJ+, 77+ for this kind of tournament. there is 6.1% chance for someone at the table to have one of this hands. Since there are probably 7 people left to act, there is a 36% chance for you to get called with one of teese hands (if is some else hand that isn't in this range, eather it's a flip, eather you dominate). So, in 36% of the cases when you get called you have 43 % equity in a ~19 bb pot. this means an equity of 2.9BBs. At this we add your fold equity wich is 64%, whe you get a pot of 10.5 bb = 6.7 BB.
Your total shove has a value of 9.6 bbs. But because of the fact that a few times, two other players can wake up with monster hand, you can decrease it a little bit, but I doubt it's under a 9 bbs. Probably around 9.3 ~ 9.4
Another fact is that if you fold and in the next 3 hands you don't get a spot, your stack will shrink to 7.5 bbs (wich will most probably happen.
It's true that it isn't such an awesome spot, especially if you have weak players at the table, but am happy to shove in this spot considering your position in this tournament (you are just at the half of the field with half the average stack).
August 16, 2013
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My shoving range here is 88+, AQ+ readless. If I have info about very loose or very tight players at the table, it may extend a little bit.
June 9, 2014
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Thanks to all who replied. Much appreciated. Having read one of the replies where the poster thought it was a 5 handed table I have edited the original post to make it clearer that we are ten handed on this table after a recent consolidation from 3 to 2 tables.
AndreiDRC – thanks for doing the math and posting your view on it. That helps a LOT. That is a skill I need to work on (doing the math away from the table or even just knowing what the various percentages are so that I can do the math away from the table). Until I get more comfortable with the math I'll be putting more of these scenarios up.
Thanks again.
August 16, 2013
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I used Equilab from poerstrategy.com software wich I reccomend (it's free). there are also other software wich are preety much the same for equity vs range calculations
September 20, 2012
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This sort of situation was discussed on the ThinkingPoker podcast by some mtt sicko + Andrew & Nate. Can't remember who it was though, but he stated that he started limping AJo+ to AKs UTG (+1) and jam all raises with around your stack size up to about 13BB. Also, I think that the no-ante structure is important and find that people generally are more tight and that gut reaction jams could be tempered with moves like this. If I understand the reasoning, it is that the raising range to an UTG limp is much wider than the open jam calling range. No?
August 4, 2014
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I think this depends on how you have played so far. My concern is not that we are behind(although we maybe, but we pretty much can say we have the best hand right now.), it is that there are no blinds and not a lot to steal.
lets say I have been opening pots with a 2.25x, I would do the same here with your image because you said they think you are tight. Everybody knows you have a pushing stack and your tight image, you are still putting in a raise. That line looks very strong and we are not lying we have a strong hand. We can be repopped by AJs or AQ, and sometimes pairs lower than QQ. We would like to call a reraise. If we get flatted, then we can push after seeing the flop depending on the board.
However, pushing directly can totally be justified imo. My point is, as we know we are getting it in no matter what, lets try to get more into the pot.
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