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September 8, 2016
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Yesterday I played the 27$ KO on PS with 850 players. The following hand occurred with 18 players left. I am a bit confused about if my PF play is okay here.
Poker Stars $12.30+$12.25+$2.45 No Limit Hold’em Tournament – t1800/t3600 Blinds + t450 – 9 players –
Hero (MP2): t114374 M = 12.10
CO: t118847 M = 12.58
BTN: t104278 M = 11.03
SB: t254827 M = 26.97
BB: t170259 M = 18.02
UTG: t100522 M = 10.64
UTG+1: t170519 M = 18.04
UTG+2: t275839 M = 29.19
MP1: t149839 M = 15.86
Pre Flop: (t9450) Hero is MP2 with A Q
UTG raises to t7200, 3 folds, Hero calls t7200, 3 folds, BB raises to t27599, 1 fold, Hero raises to t113924 all in
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I only had 29 hands on V who opened UTG. He player (34/29). Regarding 3bets he folded twice to a 3bet and called twice as well. I expect him to open around 10-12% UTG as default and decided to call.
I considered a 3bet but thought 30BB deep with AQo vs UTG open would be a bit too much to 3bet/call. 3Bet folding doesn’t seem right either because we would give up a lot of equity if he decides to 4bet jam (Is this assumption OK?)
After my flat the Big Blind 3bets. I only had 16 hands on villain in which he 3bet 33%. Because the 3 bet is really big I expected it to be a rather balanced polarized range. I though with the limited info and his very high 3b percentage AQo would be strong enough to jam her.
Any thoughts about my decisions PF would be much appreciated?
June 2, 2013
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One of the reasons i don´t like to use HUD, 16 hands is not enough, too small of a sample.
I think you have to consider that BB is squeezing an utg raise and an mp call, even you blocking AA and AK doesn´t look that good to me to GII with AQ on this. I guess is somewhat close decision, if V is doing that wide, AQ wil be profitable for sure, would help a little if AQ was suited, ~4% more equity.
February 20, 2015
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I had a long response, and then it disappeared.
First, I think it’s just a translation issue from our Brazilian friend: It’s a good idea to use a HUD, but don’t take it so seriously yet if there are only 16 hands on a guy.
I wrote a long thing about how when you 3-bet pre it makes it easier to fold to a 4-bet because the 4-bettor’s range will be tighter than if you flat the raise pre.
I also wrote something about knowing what you would do if the button shoved on you because he was shorter than you. That seemed more likely to happen than the BB reraising because he had a shorter stack and was set up for an all-in squeeze.
October 25, 2016
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In my opinion is wrong to flat call from Middle a call from Utg . 1) if anyone else call then you play OOP , 2) you have to act to a squeeze that maybe it happens only for your dead money , 3) you have chances to 3bet from someone and you have to take a close decision. so keep a tighter range of 3bet and play safer. i think V do this with TT , JJ , AKo , maybe 99 if he is aggresive and you give him the chance to do it. So IMO 3bet /fold is better
interesting article flat call middle position
September 8, 2016
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Thanks for the responses guys. I agree with Almofadinhas that the sample of my hands is not nearly enough. Probably shouldn’t have taken these into consideration and let it influence my PF decision to 4b jam.
@hayatekirino, do you think V never does this with a bluff. In normal circumstances I would fold this but based on my corrupted info (due to the very small sample) I assumed V has many bluffs in his range so I decided to jam.
I am studying 3betting lately and I understood from the different videos on the TPE forum that it is not correct to have 3b/fold range with a hand that would otherwise be a profitable flat. I guess that if we 3bet AQo vs. an UTG open it would be a combination of getting info, 3betting for value, 3betting as a bluff.
Is my understanding correct, that it is not correct to take a hand out of your flatting range and use it as a value or bluff hand, and if so, does that mean that flatting AQo from MP vs UTG open is not good enough to flat in this situation?
October 25, 2016
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I believe flat call with AQo in this spot is wrong but i am not an expert so i prefer to wait someone from the pros to respond to this thread.
I think V may bluffing but its a risk because of your call. He may 3bet something like A5s, KQs but OOP i think he 3bet for value not for bluff. I think he has AA,KK or top range. Pros;
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December 6, 2012
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I like calling with AQ initially for the reasons Improvements gives. Of course it’s “easier” to fold to a raise if you 3-bet, but it’s also more expensive! All you’re doing is ensuring that worse hands fold and you lose more to better hands.
I would fold to this squeeze. The 3-bet stat isn’t so meaningful not just because of the sample size but also because here Villain is in BB. Keep in mind that with many hands that he might otherwise squeeze, he can also very profitably call. For that reason, many players have difficulty finding light 3-bet candidates when they are in the BB.
September 8, 2016
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Thanks Foucault! After seeing part 8 from your Constructing range series I realize I should work on a balanced 3bet range as well from the BB 🙂
Lets say V UTG was very tight, would you ever consider a 3bet/fold (as part of my bluffing range) to be OK in this (and similar) situation?
May 1, 2016
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improvementss said
Lets say V UTG was very tight, would you ever consider a 3bet/fold (as part of my bluffing range) to be OK in this (and similar) situation?
I would much rather prefer to 3bet/fold with weaker hands, like A8o (because of the blocker value) or TJs (because it plays well IP in the rare case you get flatted). I think this has too much equity when UTGs 4bet shoving range will include a lot of pairs (and sometimes AJs if he is loose and suspect), and I would hate to fold away that equity.
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December 6, 2012
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You probably just don’t want to do much 3-betting at all vs a tight UTG opener. The problem with 3-betting AQo is that he never folds hands that have significant equity so all you’re doing is pushing him off of AJ or KQ.
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