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April 26, 2013
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Good day everyone.
This was with 24 left, 135 paid in a fulltilt $3.30 tournament. I was chipleader at the moment, average stacks are ~255000. Don't play these stakes too often anymore, but still am interested in what to optimally do here.
Full Tilt Poker Game #34548748545: Velociraptor (272371447), Table 34 – NL Hold'em – 5000/10000 Ante 1000
Hijack: b-u-y84 (271,193)
CO: Hero (727,315)
Button: blocp13 (289,180)
SB: TheAlligatorNo1 (348,268)
BB: yzaakk (433,332)
UTG: Kalectra (110,821)
UTG+1: Deventer (172,472)
MP: CHIOSPOKER (329,500)
TheAlligatorNo1 posts the small blind of 5,000
yzaakk posts the big blind of 10,000
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Q
A
]
Kalectra folds
Deventer raises to 171,472, and is all in
CHIOSPOKER folds
b-u-y84 folds
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero folds
blocp13 folds
TheAlligatorNo1 folds
yzaakk folds
Uncalled bet of 161,472 returned to Deventer
Deventer mucks
Deventer wins the pot (33,000)
It feels very nitty to fold here, but the dynamic at the table was, that if we got called and any of the three players to act would call/shove, we would at best be flipping against TT+, AQs+ (whereas TT might be folded quite often here, even JJ sometimes). We should be quite ahead of villains shoving range, but I thought waiting for a better spot was the better idea here.
I don't think we could ever call-fold here, so this is effectifly risking half of our stack (34 BBs!). Bild levels are increasing every 12 min, so it's pretty good structure.
Thinking about it I guess calling/shoving would be more appropriate if it was a tough field.
I might be far off, so appreciate any input.
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December 6, 2012
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It really comes down to what you think UTG1's shoving range will be and how much of an edge you'll have against him. You're right that you'll occasionally end up putting money in bad against the players behind you, but if they are only going to play super-premium hands, then it won't come up that often. You really need to experiment with an equity calculator for spots like this rather than just going with your gut about what is or is not a good spot to pass up. I don't see how you can determine whether you will find a “better spot” without knowing how good of a spot this is.
December 24, 2013
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You have to assign the villain a range for shoving to really know how you're doing overall. Some villains will open shove all pairs worse than say 99 here because it's +ev for them to do so. Then on top of that, they will raise/call the stronget hands. If this were a similar villain to that, calculate it. (22-88, AJ-AQ, QJs, KQs, JTs), AQo has 53.85% equity againt that. If that's true, then you have a 7% edge over that range with AQo. With three villains left to act that you think will overcall AK, JJ+, you have 3% of hands time three villains = 9% of the time running into a better hand. The later the position you are, the less you have to worry about people behind you. But yea, you gotta come up with a range you think think think this villain will shove, adjust from there. Against a villain that appeared to be tight, I'd fold. Against a villain that had shoved in this spot before and showed down QTs, I'd call.
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July 20, 2010
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premiums better than Aq do not wake up behind you enough in a spot like this to miss picking this shove off with such a strong hand, its always good discipline and practice to think about the players behind but in this spot its snappy snappy for me
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August 25, 2012
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This is much more a question of whether you can even call vs the UTG1 shoving range than it is about the stacks behind. You're going to be priced in against them for sure, but you have blockers to AA and there aren't that many other hands that they can get it in with anyway if they know they have no fold equity.
When he shoves 17bb here, I doubt his range is going to be especially wide. It's up to you to do the calculation based on your assumption of his range (use ICMIZER or a similar program), but I would not be at all surprised if AQo turns out to be a fold here if he's reasonably tight. Focus on whether it's actually a call before you focus on stacks behind, and if it's a clear call, then don't let that small % chance of a reshove behind put you off. Yes, we'd be putting in a fair few big blinds, but we'd probably be getting around 3 to 1, so it's no big deal if we'd have the right equity.
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