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Scratching my head over this one. I think 3betshoving 28bb is too much, but against the stack in question it wouldve been a better option but I was in mp.
Third player coldflats my 3bet and flops come KKx, we all check and on the A turn ir leads out and shoves river blank. I think I can still call the turn as I put the coldflatter on JJ/QQ(/1010) and ir either on AJ or a king. Probably, pretty sure I shouldve folded the river leaving me w 15bb.
This was deep in a $3 mtt w/o a single good player (left). Was stackleader for a while and one of the bigstacks till i staretd loosing some pots. Prolly was a bit annoyed that everyone started playing back like crazy.
In hindsight (while typing this right after busting) I see that my river call was a bluffcatcher and that no player would shove the river w/o a K.
Poker Stars $3.00+$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t3000/t6000 Blinds + t750 – 9 players – View hand 1310616
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
Baggio3386 (BTN): BB = 46.2, t277394
namo25 (SB): BB = 25.9, t155131
Corsaboy85 (BB): BB = 22.1, t132532
Jopan111 (UTG): BB = 54.3, t325696
spiker77x (UTG+1): BB = 36.8, t220552
PapaiPapudo1 (UTG+2): BB = 26.1, t156578: KQs
Hero (MP1): BB = 28.8, t172705: AQo
pipster1977 (MP2): BB = 37.8, t227014
Kurok193 (CO): BB = 41.2, t247440
Pre Flop: (t15750) Hero is MP1 with A
Q
2 folds, PapaiPapudo1 raises to t13799, Hero raises to t30155, 1 fold, Kurok193 calls t30155, 3 folds, PapaiPapudo1 calls t16356
Flop: (t106215) K 5
K (3 players)
PapaiPapudo1 checks, Hero checks, Kurok193 checks
Turn: (t106215) A (3 players)
PapaiPapudo1 bets t42486, Hero calls t42486, Kurok193 folds
River: (t191187) 4 (2 players)
PapaiPapudo1 bets t83187 all in, Hero calls t83187
I 3bet shove pre with 26bb effective stacks, as played i def cbet 38-42k and fold to a jam and re eval turn if he flats.
Just get it in pre and make this hand easy to play.
Cbet flop, chk behind on turn fold river when villian bets.
As played fold river.
btw: dont post results until after some discussion. makes player opinions biased based on outcome.
bjizz
“btw: dont post results until after some discussion. makes player opinions biased based on outcome.”
ok, copy that.
I dont mind 3betting pre here for a couple of reasons
1 – your hand looks stronger
2 – you should be in position most times when you are called (obv not here though)
3 – Shoving essentially may put our tournament life at risk for a flip or dominated which we may not necessarily be happy with in such a low stake game. By that i mean you are more than likely the better player against these opponents (b/c you're a TPE member
) and dont really want to risk your whole stack pre when you might be able to get the same job done without a showdown
Also – i will always bet fold this flop. It's very hard for any hand to continue here, even the guy behind with most likely 99-JJ will fold 3way and with the IR to act after him when you Cbet
As played – he cant really have any non K hand on the river, so i'd fold
Note: some nice bet sizing throughout the hand. The IR and your 3bet pre are good sizes, and the turn bet by him sets up a good sized river shove for him when you call
On that flop lets take stock a moment. Theres 106,215 chips in there, you have 142,550 chips remaining against 2 opponents in a 3 bet pot OOP to one of them.
Now lets think about the ranges of your opponents here. Villain 1 raise/called a 3bet and villain 2 cold called a 3bet. IMO their ranges are gonna be heavily weighted to strong Aces and middling/strong pairs.
so in summary – If you cbet here your having to commit around 1/3 of your remaining stack, which is not ideal. Your cbetting into 2 (loose) opponents, not ideal. Lastly your never getting worse hands to call or better to fold because a lot of their range (the pairs) are peeling anyway so your not taking it down without commiting the rest of your stack later on, so also not ideal.
Im all for the cbet most times but here i prolly just check mostly because the stacks are awkward and you have 2 opponents. Im not one for bluffing 30%+ of my stack when your very uncertain whether it will work plus you may already have the best hand.
so what's the correct play postflop here?
hapetimes says cbet/fold, but as G0liath pointed out cbetting around 30% of my stack and folding would only leave me with about 15bb.
I think in this hand whether I'd cbet fold or check flop call turnbet/fold river I would be left with about the same amount of chips. In the case where I would check flop, I cant just fold the turn w/ top kicker winning from possibly AJ or 99-QQ. Betting the flop for info and possibly tid also sounds like a viable option.
cold flatter's range could also include AK, together w JJ/QQ(/1010/99), but cbetting would give me more info than c/c turn and turning my hand into a bluffcatcher on the river.
Trying to preserve my stack postflop would mean just giving up on the flop which sounds pretty weak to me (which largely I did unfortunately). Someone could be repping a K and I loose the opportunity to pick up a nice pot.
just a very tough spot. would really like some more thoughts about this hand, whether you already replied or not and a pros view would def be appreciated.
Proably really bad but i'd be shoving the turn here to make him pay for any draws he might have or hoping he'd call with an under pair.
The only other option i'd see is how you played it, I dont have the sense to fold the river, if i'd just called the turn i'd be
intending to call his bet on the river too(unless he had been playing really really tight). It's just one of them hands that I couldn't get away from.
Maybe the only way to avoid losing all your chips in this situation is to raise the flop, atleast you've got the chance to fold if he rr the flop, but then if he just calls i'd proably still be losing all my chips when the A comes out.
I persoanlly 3 bet jam pre..by doing this you have the fe to take the pot down as well as if called you are racing to double up. By jamming pre you are also isolating the initial raiser. By 3 betting you are also giving the players to act “the right price” in their mind to see a flop. You need to ask yourself is the hand you have strong enough to play multi way or are you trying to play heads up. If you 3 bet jam and run in to a monster behind you it is a cooler.
The way played, the 3 bet is not bad and the sizing is good but you want to make sure you have a plan going forward. When the flop drops with the paired board multiway a small c bet like 1/3 pot would be okay. It is tough for any of the villains to move forward with your pre flop image. You don't have to risk a lot with the c bet to gain the information you need. Once called, or raised, abort. You can always check trying to get to sd as well, but I like being in control of the hand. This goes back to why I jam pre though because once called, you have an awkard stack size with how much is already in the pot. I hope this helps. Best of luck at the tables.
3betting shoving nearly 30bb w AQo in mp isnt an optimal play imo, and reshoving the turn wont get called by any worse. if i only had around 20bb or less i'd be reshoving.
HOT TOPIC!!!! 
mailto:third@eye makes is how can we call the turn without calling the river. totally agree. might as well fold top pr on turn… NOT!! so truthfully this is exactly as third@eye mentiones as one of them spots we cant get away from.
anyway u look at it(as playd), we're going to the house. it would be terrible to call turn and fold rivr.
which is y cbet is more optimal strategy here. if we bet flop villian calls we get to river for free likely. when he bets or shove(likely) then we can really narrow down his range and make the right play…. which would be to fold. yes we will be short after fold but not busted.
btw: 14-16bb is not the end of the world. at those blind levels if we can get our money in in the right spots we can chip back up nicely.
bjizz
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