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Stats on UTG: 44/27 over 58 hands. Had been opening many pots PF.
Stats on MP1: 13/9/8 over 93 hands. Had not stepped out of line, TAG.
My image: I've been knitting it up.
With AQ, I wanted to define my hand vs UTG and decided to 3bet UTG/(squeeze out the MP1), as he had been quite active, my intention was to lay my hand down if he decided to 4bet.
Thoughts on my line PF?
Then, once we flop 2 pair on a co-ordinated flop, is anyone folding here to the check/shove from MP1????
Poker Stars $3.00+$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t150/t300 Blinds + t40 – 9 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
SB: BB = 72.8, t21826
BB: BB = 70.9, t21281
UTG: BB = 51.7, t15511
UTG+1: BB = 35.2, t10565
UTG+2: BB = 195.1, t58542
MP1: BB = 72.8, t21847
Hero (MP2): BB = 44.8, t13450
CO: BB = 84.6, t25369
BTN: BB = 49.3, t14781
Pre Flop: (t810) Hero is MP2 with Q
A
UTG raises to t600, 2 folds, MP1 calls t600, Hero raises to t2155, 4 folds, UTG calls t1555, MP1 calls t1555
Flop: (t7275) Q A
K (3 players)
UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets t3975, UTG folds, MP1 raises to t19200, Hero ????
Hi, pf here I would just be calling. Mainly because Mp1 joined the party, if he's been playing tight and already called a 3x raise, I would proably expect him to have a hand good enough to call the 3 bet. I would 3 bet if it was just against Utg as he's been playing alot and proably has a range that includes all suited cards for raising.
I'm calling for certain on the flop, and if he has AA,KK,QQ,AK, then i'm behind, it's so few cards to worry about being behind. He could just have a flush draw and/or a gut shot. No matter what he has you've proably got outs. By how it was played i'd proably think the most likely hand is AK or KQ but would definately still press the call button.
Yeah im going ahead and squeezing with AQ for sure so i like your line pre, cant see him just flatting with QQ,KK,AA or AK pre although some people do flat with AK, i think his range is more like 99 through JJ , AQs after he flats your 3bet. Whats he jamming the flop with that we beat? A10,AJ? seems unlikley, what combo of random flush draws could he have is a tag really calling these hands pre oop facing a 3 bet? It feels like we are beat here but finding the fold button could be difficult.
Will be interesting to see what the pros think 
I like the 3bet pre for sure. The TAG villian is never making this post flop play with 88-JJ and I dont think he calls the 3bet with KQo maybe sometimes KQs if he is feeling frisky. I also think he is too tight to make this play with AT or AJ. Feels so much like tight player flatting with AK, so I think I find a fold here. Interested in the result.
Thanks for the feedback guys…..
Everyone pretty much had him on AK…… Which is what he had. I think in this spot against this player if I'm ahead with my AQ then I'm only just ahead. e.g. versus AJ, AT, QcJc, QcTc etc then there are all the hands that crush me AK, QQ, KK, AA, JT etc….. Not sure if he plays some of the JT/QJ hands vs a 3bet but anything is possible.
Poker Stars $3.00+$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t150/t300 Blinds + t40 – 9 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
SB: BB = 72.8, t21826
BB: BB = 70.9, t21281
UTG: BB = 51.7, t15511
UTG+1: BB = 35.2, t10565
UTG+2: BB = 195.1, t58542
MP1: BB = 72.8, t21847
Hero (MP2): BB = 44.8, t13450
CO: BB = 84.6, t25369
BTN: BB = 49.3, t14781
Pre Flop: (t810) Hero is MP2 with Q A
UTG raises to t600, 2 folds, MP1 calls t600, Hero raises to t2155, 4 folds, UTG calls t1555, MP1 calls t1555
Flop: (t7275) Q A K (3 players)
UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets t3975, UTG folds, MP1 raises to t19200, Hero calls t7280 all in
Turn: (t29785) 9 (2 players – 1 is all in)
River: (t29785) 2 (2 players – 1 is all in)
Final Pot: t29785
MP1 shows A K (two pair, Aces and Kings)
Hero shows Q A (two pair, Aces and Queens)
MP1 wins t29785
October 6, 2010
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arrived late to this thread, but before looking at the results, i thought that this has to be AK, JcQc, QcTc, TJ, possibly KQs. i really dont think there is much else that check raises you on that board, QQ+ 4bets, 99-JJ never check raises.
this is actually a really sucky spot
here is the absolute widest range that we could have villain on
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt
87,327,504 games 0.080 secs 1,091,593,800 games/sec
Board: Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 54.253% 45.05% 09.20% 39343458 8034249.00 { AsQd }
Hand 1: 45.747% 36.55% 09.20% 31915548 8034249.00 { AQs+, KQs, QcJc, QcTc, JTs, AQo+, KQo, JTo }
as soon as we start removing some of the lower parts of villain's range though, it gets worse for us.
if we remove KQo, JTo, then we go down to 43%
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt
49,656,816 games 0.042 secs 1,182,305,142 games/sec
Board: Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 43.710% 27.82% 15.89% 13815342 7889759.50 { AsQd }
Hand 1: 56.290% 40.40% 15.89% 20061955 7889759.50 { AQs+, KQs, QcJc, JTs, AQo+ }
if my pot odds calcs are correct, we need to call 7280 more into a pot of 15225, so we need 32% to call here.
as you can see from above, our win percentage is 27.8%, and our win+tie percentage is 43%.
i could redo the maths adding in the tie, but i can't be bothered.
basically, this has been a long winded way of saying that i think its a very close fold, especially given that we are the one going busto as well, which i think is very important here. if i was the villain, and i was left with 30bb after all this, it might sway my decision towards a call a lot more.
Thanks for your replay Benny!!! Appreciate it mate….!!
I've been, running (or getting myself) into spots like this alot lately and just wanted to put it out there. If i fold to his shove i still have 7280 in my stack so just over the 24xBB, but we still have along way to go before the bubble. So sitting on such a small stack with so far to go is a bit mmmeehh…. but on the other hand, exiting the tourney is not the result I'm looking for here either……..
Cheers
Southpaw.
October 6, 2010
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question – is checking back the flop here horrible?
of course we let some straights get there for free if a T or J comes, but it just means we can pot control a bit and get value out of AJ and AT and KQ, because when we check back flop they probably think we have a mid pair and their hand is now good.
it just seems like firing here gets us into a spot of trouble, as our hand cant really stand a raise at any point.
edit: in addition to our hand not being able to stand a raise much, there isn't really much in villain's range that we can get 3 streets of value from, so i prefer to get the value on turn/river rather than flop/turn when we potentially have more information
Checking the flop….. that thought also went through my mind…… as there are plenty of scare cards on the Turn/River that will slow him down…… any club that completes the flush or picture card that completes a 4card straight, and we're effectively just playing for showdown (but then again if one of those cards hits, he'll want to take it to showdown as cheaply as possible as well I'd say)…… so it doesn't cost us our tourney life.
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