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April 1, 2016
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I just see this as a cooler. Can’t see how I am folding here. Doubt villian is putting me on a Q. History with villain is he is solid but no one I worried about
June 2, 2013
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I think you need a stronger hand to move all in on the river, when you get there you have 73462 behind, and V covers you, and the pot has 8200, that is almost 9x pot size. When V bets pot OTR maybe the correct is just a call, for me, if I was playing at the moment maybe I reraise too, but I fold for the 3bet, and I use some of my time bank to see if V shows his cards 
When you think about ranges, do you think V bets pot OTR with what? missed flush? when he 3bets you OTR? Q4-Q7? I don´t think they call with weaker Q off suited very often, so there is a lot of fewer combos from weaker Qs suited out there.
P.S.: now that I thought about V´s range OTR I think I just fold river, not sure if is because I saw the results, try to hide it next time 
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December 6, 2012
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I would just call his initial river bet.
“Doubt villian is putting me on a Q”
I don’t see any justification for this. When you raise the river, you’re either bluffing or you have trips. In fact, I’m not sure your hand is strong enough to make the first raise for value, given your poor kicker. When he three-bets the river, I think you should fold. What would he do that with that you beat?
February 20, 2015
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Busted draw maybe. But why not bet the turn? As played, I would give a crying call on the river. This is very similar to the hand that knocked me out of my first WSOP event. Our stacks were shorter, and combined with my betting the turn, his river lead was less than pot and put me all in. This is back when $1,000 events only gave 3,000 chips.
April 1, 2016
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Yea felt my river play was HORRIBLE. I checked turn to induce a bet on the river which I planned to raise. Few other times I took this line, I caught him bluffing with busted draws and A high. Guess he had it this time. Thanks for the feedback.
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December 6, 2012
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Ya not to beat a dead horse but do you see why there’s no value in raising him if he has a busted draw?
December 30, 2015
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Why check behind on the turn?
If we bet turn and V donks the river than we can just call to catch bluffs since anything we beat wouldn’t call a raise and most marginal hands just check again, not lead. The board is pretty dry on the river. Mostly sets and boats (over-pairs being very unlikely with just a flat from the blinds PF OOP).
If we bet the flop and get a call then the turn is our best chance to continue getting value from hands we beat. Sure the line as-played might induce more bluffs and thin value bets on the river, but that is trading some near-certain value now for a chance at some value later.
As played we hand over the betting lead. Keeping it we might get a chance to check. It isn’t easy to check-behind the river with trips (I’m not sure I find a check here, though I’m working on getting to that place after thinking it though in this post). It is also hard to get 3-streets of value on this board from something worse. Maybe if the river was an off-suit A or K for a potential missed-draw-out.
June 2, 2013
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joelshitshow said
But why not bet the turn?
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Why check behind on the turn?
Most of the range we are beating, and trying to get value from will not call another barrel on the turn, afraid to have to call a 3rd barrel on the river. Sure you get some calls from flush draws, but I am not sure that is a big part of V´s range. Low PP will check turn, then bet or check/call a bet on river, maybe even some A high. Busted flush can bet river as bluff, since hero show weakness OTT.
MovieFX said
… It isn’t easy to check-behind the river with trips …
I don´t think it is a check OTR, I think will be a raise for value, guessing a small raise for value, because of the V´s range is not that strong, and fold for a big reraise.
December 30, 2015
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almofadinhas said
joelshitshow said
But why not bet the turn?MovieFX said
Why check behind on the turn?Most of the range we are beating, and trying to get value from will not call another barrel on the turn, afraid to have to call a 3rd barrel on the river. Sure you get some calls from flush draws, but I am not sure that is a big part of V´s range. Low PP will check turn, then bet or check/call a bet on river, maybe even some A high. Busted flush can bet river as bluff, since hero show weakness OTT.
Most of the range we are beating are draws though aren’t they? So by not betting the turn you lose 100% of the value from people chasing draws and give them a free card. For all other hands, the turn card either doesn’t change the board texture at all, or in the case of A4s and A5s actually improves it, so if someone called the flop they really should call the turn too.
I think checking the turn requires a more specific read than betting it. If you can specifically target only lower pocket pairs, then sure, checking is great, but I don’t think that is possible reliably. I also like to have some hands I double barrel for value to balance.
almofadinhas said
Most of the range we are beating, and trying to get value from will not call another barrel on the turn, afraid to have to call a 3rd barrel on the river. Sure you get some calls from flush draws, but I am not sure that is a big part of V´s range. Low PP will check turn, then bet or check/call a bet on river, maybe even some A high. Busted flush can bet river as bluff, since hero show weakness OTT.MovieFX said
… It isn’t easy to check-behind the river with trips …I don´t think it is a check OTR, I think will be a raise for value, guessing a small raise for value, because of the V´s range is not that strong, and fold for a big reraise.
What specific hands are you targeting for value if checked to on the river? What would be your sizing?
June 2, 2013
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MovieFX said
almofadinhas said
joelshitshow said
But why not bet the turn?MovieFX said
Why check behind on the turn?Most of the range we are beating, and trying to get value from will not call another barrel on the turn, afraid to have to call a 3rd barrel on the river. Sure you get some calls from flush draws, but I am not sure that is a big part of V´s range. Low PP will check turn, then bet or check/call a bet on river, maybe even some A high. Busted flush can bet river as bluff, since hero show weakness OTT.
Most of the range we are beating are draws though aren’t they? So by not betting the turn you lose 100% of the value from people chasing draws and give them a free card. For all other hands, the turn card either doesn’t change the board texture at all, or in the case of A4s and A5s actually improves it, so if someone called the flop they really should call the turn too.
I think checking the turn requires a more specific read than betting it. If you can specifically target only lower pocket pairs, then sure, checking is great, but I don’t think that is possible reliably. I also like to have some hands I double barrel for value to balance.
almofadinhas said
Most of the range we are beating, and trying to get value from will not call another barrel on the turn, afraid to have to call a 3rd barrel on the river. Sure you get some calls from flush draws, but I am not sure that is a big part of V´s range. Low PP will check turn, then bet or check/call a bet on river, maybe even some A high. Busted flush can bet river as bluff, since hero show weakness OTT.MovieFX said
… It isn’t easy to check-behind the river with trips …I don´t think it is a check OTR, I think will be a raise for value, guessing a small raise for value, because of the V´s range is not that strong, and fold for a big reraise.
What specific hands are you targeting for value if checked to on the river? What would be your sizing?
I don´t think his range is strong enough to call 3 barrels.
– Flush draws are part of V´s range, but I don´t give him that much combos for it, so a check OTT can make V to bluff river, with a lead.
– Pocket pairs and A high I think is more likely, and V will not call turn and river again.
– Maybe there is some broadways float, but since there is 3 know Qs I am not so sure about that.
So, on the river I am targeting pocket pairs and A high, betting probably between 1/3 to 1/2 pot, usually 1/3.
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