Ok thanks,

Appreciate you taking the time to reply.

jshilling09 said:

if he had 20+ BB i would reship, but the effective stacks make this a fold to me.  The odds he is getting make him call too much, plus he open raised in a spot where he could just shove.  if someone with like 25bb opened the button here and I had your hand i would probably re ship most times

^^This is my mindset.. I am folding b/c this guy should not be opening, he SHOULD be shoving. He seems committed even tho he had KJ

MiguelCPA said:

I find it tough to get solid reads online in the micro-low stakes MTTs I play.  I suppose a $5 would qualify.  The reason I say that is I rarely see the same players and, if I do, I usually remember them to be solid regulars, but at the low stakes that's a rarity.

You said he made a good call with KJ.  I respectfully disagree.  I would classify it as a hero call.  To you he is a random player, so it follows that to him you are a random player.  With that, how can he be sure you are 3 bet shoving him light?  You had folded to his button raise a few times already, so what range should he be putting you on?  Pretty much pairs where he's flipping for stacks at best, or hands that dominate KJ.

Now, I'm not sure I am correct in this logic, but I wouldn't call off my stack with KJ here when I will still have 14 bigs and can open shove and still have fold equity.  JDOG, please follow up on this.  Would you be calling off here?

Mathematically he'd be getting 1.86-1 on a call (150X9=1350 antes 600sb 2750 raise 27111 reraise = 31811\17133 remaining stack =1.86) so he needs to be about 60% fav for even money.  Technically, he happened to be right, but how could he know? You would have to have exactly two live cards lower than a K for him to be exactly a 60% fav.  What about the other hands that should be in your range like pairs AK, AQ, AJs?  I think his call is def -EV when you add those hands to your range.  Anyone else agree or disagree?

First we should always keep in mind hands we shove with should always be much wider than what we call with for several obvious reasons.  But a huge factor we must always consider is effective stack sizes.  If a shorty puts in a large open raise no matter if we think he is super wide he probably will be calling a shove and more than likely he should given pot odds. I think push/fold game is really an art form. We have to have some general ideas about the people in the hand with us and the dynamics of the situation at hand (close to the bubble, images etc etc).  But to simply answer MiguelCPAs question no I fold KJ and I look to shove T9s the next hand……granted if I have shoved 3 out of last 8 hands and I havent been looked up I need to start shrinking my range because we are going to get a caller soon.  The other night I was very deep in a tourney and got crippled.  I started my shove game with 15 people still in the tourney. I shove 3 times in about 1.5 orbits. The chip leader at the table was bad, he was open limping 97o in EP very late in the tourney. So when I watched him limp again in the same position I came over the top with A5s, I was pretty certain I was ahead of his range AND its was for over 1/4 of his stack so I had FE. He called KT and hit the flop and Im out. He commented in chat that I was shoving too much and he had to call.  Clearily we understand this guy doesnt understand what he is doing. I had around 20 bigs or a little less there is no limping or flatting for me its all or nothing, too much of my chips would be invested to get away from any hand.   The good thing about all this is we get to see into the flawed understanding of other players and we need to consider that in our decisions as well.  If we play on a level 3 and they all play level 1 we must adjust to their understanding of the game to exploit them.

Cougars, how do you feel about the villains call? 

I think his call is rather light….if I was him I would have open jammed the KJ with his stack but he probably pre determined that when he raised the button he was calling if either of the blinds shoved but not both.  I think if I'm villain its open shove>>>raise/call>>>>>open fold>>>>>>>raise/fold