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July 25, 2013
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This is another AK hand and I think I am fine pre-flop, more concerned with options on the flop action.
Sunday $8M @ 200/400/40 ante – 9 handed. I have 42 BB at this point and have dropped from $23K to $17K in last level or so, but still a reasonable size stake.
I am BB with AKs, folds around to MP+1 who is one of the smaller stakes with 10 BB. He min raises so must be AK, AQ & JJ+, anything lower and basedon his play, I would expect a shove.
CO folds, Button – largest stake with 64BB flats. SB with 23BB flats. His stats (VPIP: 32.11, PFR: 13.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 110) and he has shown some funky cards at showdown a few times.
I consider a normal raise to 8BB, but then raise to 11BB to get MP1 All-in and make it difficult for Button to call and hopefully SB. My hand seems like a reasonable hand to flip with a 10BB stake. I also figure if I make it 8BB, MP1 will likely shove anyways, however if he flats a smaller raise, it may make it to EV+ for Button & SB to call.
Button folds and SB calls, leaving 11 – 12 BB behind? AQ, AJ, pairs below JJ or QQ??
Flop is 6
8 J
36 BB in the pot, SB donk bets 7BB leaving 5 BB behind.
Is this a fold or can a case be made to get the final 12 BB in, leaving me with 17BB if I miss vs. 30BB by folding….
I hate these spots as I usually do the opposite of my first thoughts.
Thanks for any feedback.
February 15, 2013
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Whenever I think in relation to short stacks, I think about being able to reopen the action. If he min raises to 2BB, he has 8BB behind. If you think he only has a strong range, you can make it 5.75BB, then he will shove and you can isolate or fold to strength from big stack.
December 24, 2013
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subfocused said:
Whenever I think in relation to short stacks, I think about being able to reopen the action. If he min raises to 2BB, he has 8BB behind. If you think he only has a strong range, you can make it 5.75BB, then he will shove and you can isolate or fold to strength from big stack.
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December 24, 2013
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and if someone else shoves, idk about snap call, but i find it hard to fold because you set it up for someone to want to isolate with lots of dead money, like youre trying to get them to shove to iso the original shorty
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August 25, 2012
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subfocused said:
Whenever I think in relation to short stacks, I think about being able to reopen the action. If he min raises to 2BB, he has 8BB behind. If you think he only has a strong range, you can make it 5.75BB, then he will shove and you can isolate or fold to strength from big stack.
This is very relevant, good point, but it's also worth pointing out that if you make it a different size here then you'll get in weird spots when the shortstack shoves for less than a minraise and you're forced to just call instead of being able to get it in. It would be pretty tough for me to think about folding AKs here in most circumstances.
On the flop, I think it's reasonable to get it in here with all the money in the pot. The small blind's range is hard to discern since he's made such a horrible play, but I think he can probably still have the occasional weaker hand that makes it okay for us to get it in vs him on the flop. We have six outs a lot of the time if he does have us beat, and heck, maybe he folds and leaves himself 5bb. The fact we're leaving ourselves with 17bb or 30bb isn't really that relevant, because we can't possibly know enough about our future EV to make decisions based on that – it all just comes down to whether this spot is profitable or not. I think it probably is, but folding the flop doesn't seem to be awful.
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September 28, 2012
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I am going with it ehre. One thing I want to point out, is I think you may be giving the minraiser too much credit. Unless he is insanely nitty then his ragne could easily cinlude bad hands that will r/f…and if he is that nitty, hes probably shoving his good hands a lot of the time anyways since he is scared of overcards. This is also important in regards to the whole idea of trying to get action to reopen, as the min riaser could feasibly fold or simply call,which makes it pretty awkward a lot of times post.
And our stacks are at a point where we can just make it 10-11BBs and shove every flop if called.
Anyways as played, I just cant really imagine folding. He shows up with enough draws here that I thnik getting it in is fine. I also agree with theGinger in regards to the fact that he could feasibly fold, I have definitely seen worse, or maybe even have jus complete trash like AT or something.
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January 27, 2013
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out of position, I like an iso shove here. Probably to many BB's to do that, but to be honest, hate playing this hand oop when I miss which 2/3's of the time. What would be the correct amount of BB's to make a shove the correct play?
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