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Happened to me again with AA early in tourney.
Villian new to table and only had 4 hands recorded on HUD. Never seen him before.
Interested in what others have to say.
Poker Stars $30+$3 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t25/t50 Blinds – 9 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
Hero (BB): t5442 108.84 BBs
edam73 (UTG): t4440 88.80 BBs
charis27 (UTG+1): t9794 195.88 BBs
rosrober (UTG+2): t6342 126.84 BBs
N0DlCE (MP1): t3498 69.96 BBs
gruzovik666 (MP2): t4165 83.30 BBs
Costamel (CO): t5100 102 BBs
haveagoodday (BTN): t7340 146.80 BBs
vanlakos (SB): t15154 303.08 BBs
Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is BB with A
A
5 folds, Costamel calls t50, 1 fold, vanlakos calls t25, Hero raises to t300, Costamel calls t250, 1 fold
Flop: (t650) 9
7 7 (2 players)
Hero bets t325, Costamel calls t325
Turn: (t1300) 5
(2 players)
Hero checks, Costamel bets t4475 all in, Hero calls t4475
River: (t10250) 3 (2 players – 1 is all in)
Donskey: shows [A
A
] (two pair, Aces and Sevens)
Costamel: shows [8 6] (a straight, Five to Nine)
Costamel collected 10250 from pot
I wanted to fold (Tanked forever). I thought there was no way he is doing this with a boat. I thought
if he has 86 then that line seems reasonable, not likely but reasonable for a random unknown. I then
thought he could also do this with 22 33 44 66 1010 JJ so I called. Unlikely he was doing it with a 7.
After the hand I thought there was no way he was doing this with 1010 JJ, as he would have raised from cut off
and not limped. I can see a limp with those hands from earlier positions but not cut off. Even a bad player would raise
those hands from the cut off
That only leaves 86 or maybe a random 7. I think if I thought about the limp prior to calling instead of after I would've folded.
I don't think I am being results oriented. I really wanted to fold thinking my AA is beat here. So happy to get some
critique.
Readless it's a tough spot for me. I've had a bad habit of calling bets like this out of curiosity in the past because the line makes no sense to me and was able to pick off alot of bluffs. Recently though I've been seeing players make this kind of play with monster hands, especially when they're well hidden draws that they hit. Your hand is pretty much a bluff catcher at this point and I think this deep you can fold and pick a better spot later. Not saying I would though as I still like to call a little too much
this is a snap fold imo. his line doesn't make sense, and that's why it's a fold here.
What hands can he have that he would rip 89.5 bbs into the middle with on the turn. VERY unlikely a bluff.
When you are 3 betting this big, this early in the tournament, you are screaming a huge hand. (you're 3 bet is fine, by the way)
Saavy opponents will call big bets this deep stacked with all kinds of connectors, to crush these flops. Then, OVERBET when they've made their hand, or hit a huge draw where they are the favorite, to get overpairs to spew.
long story short….without serious information, don't put almost 90 BBs in the middle with 1 pair, even if its an overpair to the board, even if its AA.
The allin over bet is the new thing on Stars (crazy s**t), I see it a lot at the smaller stakes and when I do end up calling one of these bets it is always the nuts or close to it. I saw that move 5 times the other night, all by different players and the two times I called (which I admit was spewy) I was crushed.
July 3, 2010
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Turn is a very easy fold but I'm bet/folding and not check/folding with AA.
If he does have a hand as weak as say 9x or TT you're giving him control of the hand by checking and allowing him to barrel the turn and river, potentially making you fold best hand.
But the majority of players will not bluff raise a board like this when you barrel the turn. You can easily bet half pot for value and then fold to a raise/jam.
A lot of hands will float a flop like this so don't go into super passive mode when your c-bet gets called. Keep initiative and make informed and good decisions on all streets.
Thanks for the comments
Can't argue with any of the points. Was a bad call and bad play.
And yes, should never have checked the turn. Can't give an answer why I checked. The
correct play was bet and fold to the shove, no doubt about it.
One point though, a few have said that not many shove this many big blinds early in a tourney.
I play this tourney most days, and there are plenty who do shove in the first level with draws, top pair
overpair and other ridiculous plays not even worth mentioning. It gets about 120-140 runners. I would say
about 20% are pretty good regulars and the rest are awful. Worth playing if your looking for a good soft field.
It is a deepstack and the tourney runs for about 8 – 10 hours
It was awful play by me, and I was totally gutted and disappointed I made the call when I didn't want too,
thinking I must be beat here but maybe not. Terrible. anyways thx for the critique.
Donskey said:
Thanks for the comments
Can't argue with any of the points. Was a bad call and bad play.
And yes, should never have checked the turn. Can't give an answer why I checked. The
correct play was bet and fold to the shove, no doubt about it.
One point though, a few have said that not many shove this many big blinds early in a tourney.
I play this tourney most days, and there are plenty who do shove in the first level with draws, top pair
overpair and other ridiculous plays not even worth mentioning. It gets about 120-140 runners. I would say
about 20% are pretty good regulars and the rest are awful. Worth playing if your looking for a good soft field.
It is a deepstack and the tourney runs for about 8 – 10 hours
It was awful play by me, and I was totally gutted and disappointed I made the call when I didn't want too,
thinking I must be beat here but maybe not. Terrible. anyways thx for the critique.
Any critique on this board should be prefaced by “right now, sitting here on a forum with hours to analyze one hand, this is what I think….”
Everything is different in the heat of the moment.
Good thread!
FkCoolers said:
Turn is a very easy fold but I'm bet/folding and not check/folding with AA.
If he does have a hand as weak as say 9x or TT you're giving him control of the hand by checking and allowing him to barrel the turn and river, potentially making you fold best hand.
But the majority of players will not bluff raise a board like this when you barrel the turn. You can easily bet half pot for value and then fold to a raise/jam.
A lot of hands will float a flop like this so don't go into super passive mode when your c-bet gets called. Keep initiative and make informed and good decisions on all streets.
This.
Totaly agree with not checking turn there.
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