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August 5, 2012
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Poker Stars $8.00+$0.80 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t40/t80 Blinds – 9 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
Hero (SB): t10676 133.45 BBs
Osni J� (BB): t3924 49.05 BBs
Hedgehog AA (UTG): t6254 78.17 BBs
BigZou (UTG+1): t850 10.62 BBs
QQ-Gigolo-7 (UTG+2): t2855 35.69 BBs
kayannagyn (MP1): t4080 51 BBs
loreggio (MP2): t2360 29.50 BBs
ManuelLima (CO): t3880 48.50 BBs
Makka069 (BTN): t4560 57 BBs
Pre Flop: (t120) Hero is SB with K
K
6 folds, Makka069 raises to t160, Hero raises to t400, 1 fold, Makka069 calls t240
Flop: (t880) 5
Q Q (2 players)
Hero bets t440, Makka069 calls t440
Turn: (t1760) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets t880, Makka069 calls t880
River: (t3520) A (2 players)
hero: wtf do i do now? barrell again?
im really not sure what hes calling with
July 7, 2012
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Wow – that is a really tough sick spot OOP. A lot of players dont believe bets into paired boards. I think most pairs will float flop and turn bets, and a good majority will also float A high, so this is a really sick rvr card. Obivously he can be calling with a Q, but I would think he might raise turn if he thinks you are decently strong given his stack size. Villain has around 3000chips by rvr. Not sure about this but think I bet 1250 and fold to a shove.
really ugly spot! be interested to hear what others have to say.
August 5, 2012
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we got to showdown, ill tell you that much!.. ill let you know the result in a little bit
July 31, 2012
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I'd play some pot control on the turn. It's a pretty dry board, and you beat everything except 33, 55, and a Q. I'd check the turn and call most bets by him. Your check may induce a lot of bluffs from lower pairs and floats by him. You're out of position with a strong hand on a paired board. Building a large pot here is counter to what you want to do in a tournament. If he has you beat, you'll have some level of control as to the amount you lose. The A on the river is a bad card for us (obviously), but if we check/call the turn here, he may put us on an A and think bluffing the river won't work and check behind. If we play pot control and he shoves on the A river anyway, I'd lean toward folding. A move like that would most likely mean a Q, A, or (a small percentage of the time) a bluff. Someone with a small pocket pair here would also be scared of the A and check for a showdown.
On the river you're out of position with a mediocre hand (considering the board). In these situations, you should focus more on controlling the pot than the fact that you have KK and build a big one.
The opponent's play reads like a pocket pair, say 66-JJ. If he had a Q, you'd expect him to raise the turn a majority of the time. As played however, I don't like any line here on the river. If we check, we invite getting bet off our hand when we are winning. If we make a small bet on the river, say 1000, we'd have to call his AI for 1800 more. The only other bet to make is to push him all in for 2800, which is also a bad idea, since he will only call with hands that beat us and fold all hands we beat. Of course, this is an $8 tournament, so he could have just clung to his A3 or A5 hand and got lucky.
August 5, 2012
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checked the river and he shoved (as everyone would expect) …. i puked a little bit and called and he showed 55
July 17, 2012
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What is Villain's 3bet calling range? I would say AA, AQ, KQ , Q10 and QJ suited are right in there, as well as low PPs, especially considering he has position on you. That means he could have 6 hands on that flop that have you crushed. I won't even try to figure out the combos. With the flop texure as it is, the float on the flop should set off some alarms. He has to have SOMETHING here to float one, and there are several hands in his range that you are vulnerable to. The turn looks like a brick, and your second barrel (and a pretty big one at that) gets smooth called too. Alarm bells all over the place now. He could be slow playing 55, 33, any Q, or AA. It's REALLY unlikely that he will call a second barrel that big with 77 or 99. What would you be calling that bet with?
But your equity is too good when he shoves the river to fold. You almost HAVE to call.
Your bet sizing on the flop and turn left V with less than a pot size bet. You gave him the perfect opportunity to get max value from you. You really have no opportunity to slow down or pot control. With this dangerous flop, (There are no draws. He either missed completely or smashed the crap out of it), you should have been pot controlling from the flop bet. Cbet, yes, you really almost have to, but it doesn't need to be so big, imo.
If your flop bet had been 290 or so (1/3), the turn pot would have been 1460. You second barrel could have been 480 (1/3) instead of 880, leaving a river pot of 2424 and the villain with a stack of 3390, making his shove a pretty big over shove, and a much easier fold for you. With stack sizes as they are, he may think he can't get it in on the river without making you fold, so your crying call might not have had to be so gut wrenching. He could have bet around half pot and not looked completely pot commited, making his chances of getting a call better than with a shove (without too much leveling involved)
Check/revaluate the turn could have saved you even more chips.
July 20, 2012
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I like barreling the turn for value here, not a fan of playing scared against the narrow range that beats you and passing up value for the wide range that is paying you off. I doubt I would be folding to a raise on turn either (depending on reads) as it looks like a decent spot for him to make a move.
The issue I have with c/c river is that I doubt he has air very often at all by then, marginal SD value such as mid pps are checking back and you are behind anything that bets. By river you have about pot left (ideal for jamming river on anything other than A) but it’s ugly for a bet/fold. All the same I think that is my preferred line here, betting around 1/3 pot, folding to his jam.
edit: to clarify what I meant, reason A is a bad card on river is that it could well kill your action, not really scared about it helping him but if you now jam then mid pps could well fold to you. That is why I prefer b/f over jamming, you can get thin value and know that when he does jam you are almost always behind.
June 12, 2012
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I play these spots a little different then allot of people. Where I am a huge fan of getting max value out of hands like QQ+ I also just think they're cards that can also be beat, this being said… I would of raised pre ( as you did ) but on the flop I'd just check. I do this to make it look like AKs or a something like 99 – but I do try to play hands a little different then some people do. I think check calling is what I do on the flop and Check raise allot of turns, I can fold this hands in stupid spots such as this one, but I think you could get called down by 99, 10 10, J J, I do also believe AK will call you down along with AQ ( obvie ) I check raise some flops and check call and check raise some turns. I'm not saying I never C Bet this board, I'm just trying to give you different ways to evaluate and maybe get a little closer on pinning his range. Where he might call something on the flop and try to steal the turn, that is where a C/R comes in. I haven't read any of the comments above. I like to post first then read the comments.
August 8, 2012
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On this flop I might actually check the flop, since it gives him a chance to bluff with random hands and lower pocket pairs. You're unlikely to get more than one street of value. Put it this way, is he likely to call two or three streets with 88 or TT? Possibly, but he might also choose to bet these hands on the flop and turn and we get value from them this way. He's also unlikely to call two streets with decent unpaired Aces. As played I make a small probe bet on the river to get called by lower pocket pairs and obviously fold to a raise.
August 27, 2012
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i don’t really like to bet flop and turn on these kind of boards OOP. i like checking flop because i think he will often check behind a Q on the flop
and so he misses one street of value. checking the flop also gives him the opportunity to start bluffing.
turn i would bet for value against smaller pocketpairs and maybe A high he is calling with. ( if flop gets checked trough)
river is really ugly, maybe small blocking bet is the best…
don’t say i must be right…. just my thoughts how i would play this hand.
other opinions appreciated
June 20, 2012
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I dont think the Ace river is terrible actually. I dont see many Ax Combos still in this hand by the river, unless AQ and mayybbee AA, and depending on the assumed player type I would approach river Accordingly. Sometimes Block Bet/fold, sometimes c/c, sometimes c/f…
June 20, 2012
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I dont think the Ace river is terrible actually. I dont see many Ax Combos still in this hand by the river, unless AQ and mayybbee AA, and depending on the assumed player type I would approach river Accordingly. Sometimes Bet/fold(passive villain), sometimes c/c(aggro), sometimes c/f(Tight)…
June 2, 2012
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I'm shocked that a majority above like checking this flop? Seems absurd to me because we are missing so much value. Villain should be calling with any pair and Ax plus we can also give him a chance to tool out. Yeah he could have a Q but its obv unlikely. I'm def double barreling here as turn doesn't change anything. Can't imagine him floating two streets with Ax unless he has Axdd so I'm not really scared of the river. Villain has 2800ish left on river. If we check it screams weakness and then he can rep a strong hand by piling. I prefer to block bet/fold here. Bet like 950ish.
June 2, 2012
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I don't understand why these threads cut off posts. So f*cking annoying. Hit quote and reply to read them.
May 30, 2012
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JLUDEOBV said:
I'm shocked that a majority above like checking this flop? Seems absurd to me because we are missing so much value. Villain should be calling with any pair and Ax plus we can also give him a chance to tool out. Yeah he could have a Q but its obv unlikely. I'm def double barreling here as turn doesn't change anything. Can't imagine him floating two streets with Ax unless he has Axdd so I'm not really scared of the river. Villain has 2800ish left on river. If we check it screams weakness and then he can rep a strong hand by piling. I prefer to block bet/fold here. Bet like 950ish.
great post +1
July 10, 2012
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JLUDEOBV said:
I'm shocked that a majority above like checking this flop? Seems absurd to me because we are missing so much value. Villain should be calling with any pair and Ax plus we can also give him a chance to tool out. Yeah he could have a Q but its obv unlikely. I'm def double barreling here as turn doesn't change anything. Can't imagine him floating two streets with Ax unless he has Axdd so I'm not really scared of the river. Villain has 2800ish left on river. If we check it screams weakness and then he can rep a strong hand by piling. I prefer to block bet/fold here. Bet like 950ish.
+2. This is basically my reply word for word 
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