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You are in the BB with 12bb total and AJo. Blinds are 100/200/no antes. MP1 shoves for 12bb effective. Essentially you have to call 11bb to win 24.5.
To use Celine’s math in his shallow stacks video: Equity to make call = 100*1/(pot/amount to call) +1
Equity = 100*1/(4870/2185)+1
Equity = (100 / 2.22) +1
Equity = 46%
At the time I assumed this was a standard tourney call. Working it out I know needing 46% equity it’s a bad call. Tbh though I am unsure what range I am supposed to give villain in these spots. How desperate are people with 12bb but no antes? Is it standard to give him 77+, AJs+?
Thanks
Feels marginal, 12 bb mp feels strong and shouldn’t be that wide, probably best you’re hoping for is racing vs middle pair.
I’m gonna guess he had AK/AQ and you lost?
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I’ll let the pros weigh in on this, but i think it is close, but leans towards a call. When the math aspect is very close I fall back on my reads on the player. If they have folded every hand for 5 orbits then i just dont think they are shoving that wide. If they took a bad beat a hand or two before they could just be punting.
If I had to pick, I’d pick a call.
If they understand push/fold and are a thinking player, I call every single time.
If the player has shown no understanding of push/fold theory, or has played very tight, I just fold.
What’s the largest amount of BB’s that you would be willing to call?
Polaris said:
What’s the largest amount of BB’s that you would be willing to call?
depends on my stack size
Sorry, like this hand he is short and open jams and has a similar stack. Would you still call off as high as 18bbs or more against someone who you perceive to know push/fold or is 18bb’s too high?
Sorry, like this hand he is short and open jams and has a similar stack. Would you still call off as high as 18bbs or more against someone who you perceive to know push/fold or is 18bb’s too high?
Polaris said:
Sorry, like this hand he is short and open jams and has a similar stack. Would you still call off as high as 18bbs or more against someone who you perceive to know push/fold or is 18bb’s too high?
If this is a normal structured tournament, then I probably fold AJ with 18bbs here because someone’s 18bb shove is a lot tighter than someone’s 12bb shove, generally speaking.
Wein said:
Polaris said:
Sorry, like this hand he is short and open jams and has a similar stack. Would you still call off as high as 18bbs or more against someone who you perceive to know push/fold or is 18bb’s too high?
If this is a normal structured tournament, then I probably fold AJ with 18bbs here because someone’s 18bb shove is a lot tighter than someone’s 12bb shove, generally speaking.
Wein, what do you think is the shoving range of a thinking player with 12BB and no ante?
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