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Am I laying this down ?
dvmarcilio
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August 8, 2010 - 3:02 pm
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As a micro stake grinder player, one of the things that keep giving me a lot of trouble is to figure out when my hand isn't that good. 

Sum the fact that a lot of the people playing these stakes are donkeys, I often don't give them enough credit.  

This is a good example where I find myself stuck in:

 

Poker Stars $3.00 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t20/t40 Blinds – 9 players

Hand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edge

bullsontop (UTG+1): t2925 73.12 BBs
stiverson530 (UTG+2): t2800 70 BBs
faceman2089 (MP1): t4660 116.50 BBs
thop5574 (MP2): t3294 82.35 BBs
PinkKitten77 (CO): t679 16.98 BBs
Smeg Head (BTN): t5777 144.43 BBs
leanmolly (SB): t2930 73.25 BBs
boombaby1225 (BB): t3750 93.75 BBs
Mo0nChild (UTG): t3205 80.12 BBs

Pre Flop: (t60) Mo0nChild is UTG with A of diamonds K of clubs
Mo0nChild raises to t120, 5 folds, Smeg Head calls t120, 2 folds

Flop: (t300) 7 of hearts J of hearts K of spades (2 players)
Mo0nChild bets t220, Smeg Head raises to t600, Mo0nChild ??

 

What do you do here ? In what range do you put him? Considering this is the beginning of the tournament, how does it affect my play ? I'm pretty sure if I wasn't that deep I wouldn't put too much thought on this.

If it gets interesting enough, I'll paste the rest of the hand. But right now I would like to know your thoughts without spoiling it out. Don't expect too much tough, lol.

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August 8, 2010 - 3:47 pm
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Wow.  I think the only hand he can have that beats you is 7's or a slow played AA which with you holding an A would be tough.  I might just get it in with no read and it being early in a large field tourny.  He'll probably show like an A 10h and be flush drawing.

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August 8, 2010 - 6:11 pm
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well i think folding ak in a micro limit game to me is awful imo , im never folding here but we are deep so im thinking how best that we can get more in the pot, im def leading that flop for around 70% pot if he calls and a the flush cards hits you still could be ahead so id probally check back pot control , and call fair amount on the river. if the turn comes some random blank ill keep firing for value if he rejams i think in a micro im never folding here, theres so many times in micros they have anything here when u hold this good and flop this good you cant be folding imo. rather u need to be thinking of how to extract the most value from your hand. so really think of what he might do or what he might have called u with or flated the button , i mean kj poss kq q 10 most pairs so a set is poss yes . but you also beat so much here in micros he could have k4 here, lolol no lie so try to get value in these spots rather then thinking of how to fold it, long term youll make more money, i mean there are times yes he will roll over jj or 77 or kj here but just my thoughts

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August 8, 2010 - 11:47 pm
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Well you have a few options here, in micros with massive fields and really weak players i'm just trying to get AK in for value and start gettin a stack to make a run, there will just be too many times they'll just stack off KT KQ, Kxxxx, hell i'd even throw in hands like QJ and JT and obviously the draws in there range that they will just be willing to get in with.

You can also experiment with just calling the raise and reevaluating on the turn see how they react, the sizing timing then you can reanalyze and go from there, in tournaments with more skilled players in the early stages or majors where you are deep to start and feel you have an edge i'd be more inclined to call there and see a turn, players do shutdown and you do get to showdown a % of the time if your not just tryin to get it on that flop, but i'm rarely if ever just giving up right away because some guy repops me on that texture.

 

gl

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August 9, 2010 - 5:06 pm
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no disrespect to any1 but it gets under my skin when i read where guys analyse play based on levels. y not base the play on the read of the opponent here, or the action in which we've seen. in this particular situation and in others as well,  i think we're getting away from the most important aspect of the hand because its a “micro stake” tourny. “how should the hand proceed” is the basic question. i dont plan on being at the micro levels my entire career and i would think no1 else does either. so when i post a thread or read some1 elses, i want optimal strategy based on opp or action in hand. btw, most players are donkeys at these levels but there are some “master” micro stake grinders as well, how do we play against them…….. but on to the hand, with no read on villian lets assume in pos with a big stack he's flatting 22+, suited connected/gappers, 67/79+. all suited broadways. we're losing to AA, KK, jk, jj and 77. all other prs we beat. flush drws with str8 drw likely here. gut shot broadways also possibility. but here there is no need to think we're beat just yet. with all the poss hands we beat this is a confident call of the reraise. chk turn. if his hand is any of the one's we lose too he's likely betting turn and likely betting with some pressure. if he bets with force its a matter of just believing ur good to make the call. if turn card doesnt help him and he's drwing then we're likely getting to river for free. when we get to the river we can make reosonable call depending on if we think he got there. but my play will be design for the turn to go chk chk and i call river more than not depending on bet sizing.  hope this helps.

 

bjizz

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August 9, 2010 - 10:02 pm
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i wasnt trying to disrespect anyone or any stake level however in general lower stacks players are in general not that good so that being said im never folding ak in a 3 dollar game in this spot , folding here in a micro buyin is a leak in my mind.

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