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Am I ever folding? Shove instead of 3bet? $2 Freezout Pokerstars

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September 4, 2010 - 11:06 pm

I've been pretty active as we're getting fairly late in the tourney. At this point I think there were around 80 people left.

I have a few questions on this hand:

1. Should I shove instead of 3 bet since I'm not folding and I have less than 20 BB's?

2. Can I ever actually fold to the 4 bet from the BB?

3. Did I play the hand right as played?

Poker Stars $2.00 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t1000/t2000 Blinds + t200 – 6 players
Hand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edge

geez0r (SB): BB = 17.5, t34963
speck112 (BB): BB = 37.4, t74730
sousah! (UTG): BB = 21.3, t42643
cliffy074 (MP): BB = 18.8, t37563
cch001 (CO): BB = 20.5, t41097
toysoldierZ (BTN): BB = 11.1, t22100

Pre Flop: (t4200) geez0r is SB with J of hearts J of clubs
1 fold, cliffy074 calls t2000, 2 folds, geez0r raises to t7750, speck112 raises to t74530 all in, 1 fold, geez0r calls t27013 all in

Flop: (t72726) 9 of diamonds A of spades 6 of hearts (2 players – 2 are all in)

Turn: (t72726) T of diamonds (2 players – 2 are all in)

River: (t72726) 2 of diamonds (2 players – 2 are all in)

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September 5, 2010 - 12:19 am

1. You're not actually 3 betting here. He just limped. I think shoving is better because he might look you up with 66 77 88 on a shove whereas he probably folds them here. However, I think either way it's fine as long as you don't fold post flop if cliffy just calls you. No matter what hits the board just jam it (unless it's a J).

2. No, way too much overlay when you factor in AK and AQ in his range.

3. Yeah I think it's fine although I'd probably just shove.

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September 5, 2010 - 12:45 am

Oops yeah I guess there was just a limper so not a 3 bet, my bad.

Thanks for the feedback. In these spots in the future I'll just jam.

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September 5, 2010 - 3:57 am

I think in a majority of the time you encounter this situation you are probably ahead in a six max game. His 3-bet shove is a little scary but there could be a plethora of reasons for his choice, most of them probably being the wrong choice. I personally cannot play jacks to save my life and I am always interested in reading threads concerning them.

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September 5, 2010 - 11:16 am

less than 20 bigs you would be normally 4x the limper which you would have so much invested its just better to ship it. We dont want to play JJ multiway and if he has a bigger pair so be it. This is a hand that under 20bigs we wont be getting away from preflop imo.

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September 5, 2010 - 11:43 am

I would shove, factor his limp into your M, and it’s 5(definitely a shoving M). Also over cards flop all the time and you are going to have to play a huge pot relative to stacks in a marginal situation post flop.

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September 5, 2010 - 1:52 pm

Thanks for all the input guys. I will definitely be shoving in these spots in the future.

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September 6, 2010 - 2:44 pm

jshilling09 said:

I would shove, factor his limp into your M, and it's 5(definitely a shoving M). Also over cards flop all the time and you are going to have to play a huge pot relative to stacks in a marginal situation post flop.

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