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PokerStars No-Limit Hold’em, 22 Tournament, 700/1400 Blinds 175 Ante (9 handed) – Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG+1 (t55457)
MP1 (t42472)
MP2 (t22462)
MP3 (t136442)
CO (t46705)
Hero (Button) (t39870)
SB (t88012)
BB (t10699)
UTG (t46327)
Hero’s M: 10.85
Preflop: Hero is Button with 4
, 4
2 folds, MP1 calls t1400, 3 folds, Hero bets t3875, 2 folds, MP1 calls t2475
Flop: (t11425) 6, 3, 10 (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets t5550, MP1 raises to t12600, Hero raises to t35820 (All-In), MP1 calls t23220
Turn: (t83065) 8
(2 players, 1 all-in)
River: (t83065) 10 (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: t83065
This was hand for hand in the SCOOP 22 buyin….This guy had been playing weak all night…I had 3bet probably around 3 times or so and when he did call I would c-bet and he would let me have it. For some reason, he chose to limp this hand. At first, I thought this could be a monster but naw….he would wait for some1 to 3bet him so he could 4bet allin b/c I have seen him do this with AK already.
So I decide to raise in order to iso. I get that. He checks to me like he normally does, and I go for my usual c-bet. I have done this twice already…Well he decides to check/raise me…..small no less. I am like wait a sec, we are on the bubble, he does this weak check/raise when he should have just pushed b/c it is worth 1/3 of his stack…It looks like he is leaving an outlet to retreat….So with the bubble and me last to act I shove
Is this a good shove? in your eyes given the circumstances?
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plessis204 said:
PF raise is too small, fold to turn raise.
I agree with PF, why fold (on flop btw)? Not saying I disagree but would like to hear your thoughts.
fwiw, I know plessis really well and he’s a strong player so I think a more elaborate answer would benefit us all.
PF raise could been like 4425??? That better? or more?
fold the flop because otherwise you let villain win in the grand scheme.
what i’m saying is that the background you give is sort of the typical weak/passive opponent vs. a strong aggressive opponent. he’s limping a lot, you’re raising them and he’s c/f flops. he’s folding to your 3bets or flatting them OOP and folding to cbets.
and the whole time he’s sitting there saying, “i’ll get him. just wait.”
and i think that’s what’s happening here.
see, against these opponents it’s fine to just bet, bet, bet, raise, raise, raise; but you have to be aware of when they trap/adjust. and one of the benefits of playing a lot of hands instead of playing real nitty and waiting for big starting hands is that it should be easier to let go of hands when the action is saying you’re beat, like right here.
i hope this made sense.
RonFezBuddy said:
plessis204 said:
PF raise is too small, fold to turn raise.
I agree with PF, why fold (on flop btw)? Not saying I disagree but would like to hear your thoughts.
fwiw, I know plessis really well and he’s a strong player so I think a more elaborate answer would benefit us all.
I just feel like it’s such a shit board to get raised on, which seems pretty obvious. I feel like we’re essentially bluffing with a 4-high flush draw. When we get check-raised by a weak-passive player our hand shrinks monumentally. When we shove over his c/r he’s getting like 2.2:1 (whether or not he knows this is somewhat relevant I guess) so he shouldn’t ever be folding, nor is it likely that he is given reads+c/r. I can’t even begin to put villain on a range given the preflop action, but with the tiny iso size, he can conceivably get to this point with anything that he would limp with, which includes any As, Ks, Tx, XsXs, or any combo thereof. I just feel like jamming over the C/R is like hoping that he has complete air, or some spadeless overpair, which seems unlikely given his limp-call pre (JJ+ surely limp/3bets, right?). Regardless, I can’t come up with any reasonable hand that you’re a favorite against, let alone a range of hands.
Plessis thinks for the reply…the indepth analysis really put it in perspective for me…I just need it hammered in my brain a couple times in order to remember it at the table….It sucks that I learn that way, b/c I am going to have to stumble a few times to get it right but that is how it is.
Hagbard, thank also for your analysis. It makes sense now that he limped…I think he just waited for a moment when I would repop like I did. I just need to remember to notice this, check up and think wait why did he do this. Initially I thought his hand was garbage b/c of the limp, but he may have been gunning for me.
Thanks guys….I am sure I will post some more hands you can critique me on, trust me it helps and I take it in. I just need it repeated to me over and over and over in order for me to remember.
I would raise a bit more preflop , fold, or limp behind given table dynamics. I don’t mind a cbet on this flop but once I’m raised I’m peacing the f out of there
HITTHEPANDA said:
I would raise a bit more preflop , fold, or limp behind given table dynamics. I don’t mind a cbet on this flop but once I’m raised I’m peacing the f out of there
This Except I think preflop raise is ok. It could be more but dont think it has to be.
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