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Always a call right??
RicMar
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October 29, 2010 - 5:37 pm
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This is a easy call with my stack right??

 

I post the results of the hand cuz it was a funny bad beat

 

Full Tilt Poker Daily Dollar Rebuy No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t150/t300 Blinds + t25 – 9 players

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ScorpionRik (MP1): BB = 49.2, t14755, M = 21.86
qweqwe4 (MP2): BB = 29.2, t8755, M = 12.97
ImHereClick (CO): BB = 52.4, t15715, M = 23.28
hotgutshot (BTN): BB = 22.8, t6845, M = 10.14
iGuessUFold (SB): BB = 48.6, t14580, M = 21.60
PRO4EVER (BB): BB = 25.4, t7612, M = 11.28
CharliyDarko (UTG): BB = 135.9, t40776, M = 60.41
kevinbatman (UTG+1): BB = 10.3, t3093, M = 4.58
Elka89 (UTG+2): BB = 31.9, t9570, M = 14.18

Pre Flop: (t675) PRO4EVER is BB with K of spades Q of clubs
7 folds, iGuessUFold raises to t14555 all in, PRO4EVER calls t7287 all in

Flop: (t15399) T of hearts A of spades J of diamonds (2 players – 2 are all in)

Turn: (t15399) A of clubs (2 players – 2 are all in)

River: (t15399) A of diamonds (2 players – 2 are all in)

Final Pot: t15399
iGuessUFold shows Q of spades J of hearts (a full house, Aces full of Jacks)
PRO4EVER shows K of spades Q of clubs (a straight, Ace high)
iGuessUFold wins t15399

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October 29, 2010 - 5:54 pm
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I am kind of torn on this one. I hate calling all ins with KQ if I still can reach 20bbs with a double up after folding in non-turbo tournaments, call may be correct  though. Seems like you run into Ax enough to make this -ev as villian should be shoving his entire range. Folding seems nitty, interested to see what others say, but I am in the very very close fold camp. I wish I didnt see the rest of the hand lol. I had the EXACT same hand happen in the 70k in the last 2 tables when I reshipped 24bbs with KQ over a LAG button raise and got it in ve AJ and I flopped broadway for him to river a boat.

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October 29, 2010 - 5:59 pm
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I think I snap with a lot more dead money in there but the antes are only t15 so I'd make a nitty fold.

I rarely make the huge calls like this and I am probably being results oriented but the last two times I did it, I was dominated at the lower blind levels…

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October 29, 2010 - 6:01 pm
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The depends on the villians steal % and other HUD stats IMO.  You can't just blindly call a random here every time.  If you know the villian is shipping 40%+ in the SB as a steal when folded to, then yes it's a call, but you will still only be a 53% favorite vs his range.  +EV yes, and you have to be willing to live with results if you lose.

 

equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied    
Hand 0:     46.690%      45.01%     01.68%         4513411236     168325164.00   { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q4s+, J7s+, T7s+, 97s+, 87s, A2o+, K7o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T9o }
Hand 1:     53.310%      51.63%     01.68%         5177190660     168325164.00   { KQo }

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October 29, 2010 - 6:16 pm
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This might be one of those spots that calling while slightly +CEV it might be -$EV because of the edge you would have playing a 10bb stack in a $1 tourney. Just being a member at TPE should make you better than 90% of the field of the daily dollar. This has been argued in the forums for years, CEV vs $EV. Some people say never pass on a spot that is +CEV but I think a lot of marginal spots are better passed up on and this to me seems like one of those spots. His range is wide as hell tho. I am still unsure to be honest what is right the right play. Its so close I bet some will go one way and some the other, but hard to put a clear “correct or incorrect” tag on calling in this hand.

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October 30, 2010 - 7:34 am
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If I have <20BBs I call this without much thought, but we have over 25BBs here – I definitely fold and find a better spot. Much better to be the one raising/shoving rather than calling off a lot of chips with a drawing hand where we could even be slightly behind (e.g. against A2o). I'm unsure of the range of hands the SB is shoving as posted by nuklearwintr. Is SB really risking 25BBs and half of his stack with 40% of hands?

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October 30, 2010 - 9:59 am
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No way I am calling a shove with KQo this early, especially not a 45bb shove (25 effective with our stack, but he doesn't know that when he makes the move). In this case it was a bit of a clowny shove, but usually it is a pretty strong line (I would have imagined AA, KK, Possibly AK or AQ, all of which you are pretty screwed against). I think you can easily fold this and move on. Check out TTwist's latest 5 part vid series, he does a lot of talking about when to hit the panic button and start getting into a more desperate shove/fold for tourney life mode. I think you still have a lot of room to pick a solid spot to chip up in, so this seems like an unnecessary risk to me.

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October 30, 2010 - 2:09 pm
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baring any reads on the shover it's hard to say with any certainty if calling here is good.

 

i'd snap call here against any decently aggressive opponent. against someone shoving correctly you should be calling as low as KTo and A6o, QTs and K9s, which i found surprising tbh. when i opened the thread i figured this had to be a fold given we have 25BB.

 

that being said, there is definitely something to be said for passing this spot given certain table dynamics. like if you are accumulating well by stealing blinds and restealing over light opens and not being played back at really, then i could see passing on this spot. but in general i'd call here.

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October 30, 2010 - 2:22 pm
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im never calling off here in this tourney . its to easy to gather chips in this tourney and dont need to gamble in these spots its obv a overshove but i dont think villain flips over Kj enough so your either dominated or raceing and raceing in these low skill level tourneys when you dont need to just throws your skill level out the window.

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October 31, 2010 - 1:41 am
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Never calling off my stack with KQ here.  Yeah it looks like a complete over jam but you enough chips to work with yet.  No need to panic…

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