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January 10, 2017
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Played a $570 live tourney yesterday with a $100k guarantee. Very good structure with 40 minute levels on day 1, 60 on day 2. We are on the last hand of level 13 and blinds are going from 1.5k/3k to 2/4. We bag after 14 and will be around 15% with 10% getting paid. Folds to me in the HJ with AQss and I have 73k. Cut off is very short but very tight. Button is a truly horrible player who is very sticky. SB is active, but has around 125k and bb already looks disinterested in the hand. I ended up jamming and SB called with 77. Board ran out AJ987. Of course with this specific run out I think a more standard raise would have been the better play as he almost certainly would have folded after the flop. Any thoughts on which play is the better approach here?
November 28, 2015
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IMO (actually SnapShoves opinion) both plays are perfectly GTO. However, given that you were so close to the money, it might have been slightly better to just open here. I don’t hate your play though, just sucks that you ran into such crap luck.
July 24, 2018
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With 24BB and nearing the bubble, I am never open shoving. Against the cutoff, we of course are happy to get it in. Against the Button, you couldn’t ask for a better to description for someone you want to play pots with. Against SB ‘active’ player, I am fine raise/gii. With a good structure, no need to play ‘turbo’ style.
Maniac: Yes, we can shove and it is +Cev. It doesn’t mean that a standard opening isn’t a higher +Cev, which I feel pretty strongly given the lineup hero was facing is the better play.
November 28, 2015
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3for3 said
Maniac: Yes, we can shove and it is +Cev. It doesn’t mean that a standard opening isn’t a higher +Cev, which I feel pretty strongly given the lineup hero was facing is the better play.
I agree with you and that’s what I was saying. I was just pointing out that shoving 24bb from the HJ with AQ and calling with 77s from the SB is GTO.
Actually, I did make an error, I thought we were shoving from the CO not the HJ. Either way, Calling with 77s is at the very bottom of the call range.
Personally, I think that opening instead of shoving is a slightly better play due to the fact that we are so close to the money. If we were a bit shorter, like less than 20bb, I prefer a shove. Both plays are profitable, though. Sorry if I was unclear.
September 3, 2018
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TightlyWound said
Played a $570 live tourney yesterday with a $100k guarantee. Very good structure with 40 minute levels on day 1, 60 on day 2. We are on the last hand of level 13 and blinds are going from 1.5k/3k to 2/4. We bag after 14 and will be around 15% with 10% getting paid. Folds to me in the HJ with AQss and I have 73k. Cut off is very short but very tight. Button is a truly horrible player who is very sticky. SB is active, but has around 125k and bb already looks disinterested in the hand. I ended up jamming and SB called with 77. Board ran out AJ987. Of course with this specific run out I think a more standard raise would have been the better play as he almost certainly would have folded after the flop. Any thoughts on which play is the better approach here?
With 24 BBs near the bubble I would raise (not jam) with AQs. I’m not looking to play for stacks here preflop with that hand. While a shove might be profitable in a vacuum, on the bubble I don’t feel putting your tournament at risk with a hand with the potential to be dominated or flipping if your jam gets called is worth it.
July 24, 2018
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Sorry Maniac. I need to read your whole post next time.
January 10, 2017
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For what its worth we weren’t close to the money yet. There were a total of 4 starting flights and they were typically playing down to 15-20% each flight. They had a total of 312 and just under 60 made it to day 2. Were were probably about 4 hours away from making the money.
July 24, 2018
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I missed the part about ‘will be around 15%’; I thought that was where you were now. Still, we are closer to the money than in the first 1/2 of the tournament, and our chips values are definitely becoming more non linear.
One other thing; when you have a 20+BB stack, you shouldn’t be too concerned about a new level coming in a decent structure. You will still have 18BB after this hand, that shouldn’t push you to make plays you wouldn’t otherwise.
The main time this does matter is if you will cross the threshold into having very little fold equity. If you have 12BB and 50% jump in levels is imminent, that would push me to playing more aggressively.
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