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AKo on button with 2 all ins of shorter stacks
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November 27, 2012 - 6:14 pm
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Appologies for the style, HM wasn't working

 

PokerStars $4.50 180SnG

Blinds $75/$150

preflop

CO 13BB all in (not aggressive)
SB 14BB all in (7 hands on this table, non played)
BB Hero 33,5BB with AdiamondKspade

Should I call?

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November 27, 2012 - 10:02 pm
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All day. Every day.

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Breaking my arm getting this in, with two exceptions. HUGE money jumps and satty bubbles, I might (probably) find a fold.

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This one is pretty easy. Get it in and don't even think once about it.

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I put these stack sizes into holdem resources and thought I'd give you the results since that might be more valuable than just seeing if AKo is a call here. So anyway, it suggests calling with 77+,AQ+ if CO is shoving 19.8% 22+ A7s+ A5s-A3s ATo+ K8s+ KJo+ Q8s+ QJo J8s+ T8s+ 98s and SB shoving 10.1% 44+,A9s+,ATo+.

 

What is CO is shoving tighter and SB is shoving tighter? The above relies on your opponents playing an equilibrium strategy, which they probably won't be. So… if they're shoving much tigther than they should be, what's our range for calling then? I guess we work it out by putting in ranges into stove and working out if we have enough equity. We need 2.03:1 or 33%. So if CO shoves 11.9% 22+,AT+,KQ and SB shoves 88+,AJs+,AQo+ then we have 32.045%, which isn't enough. I know these are very tight ranges, but I feel there are definitely players that play like this and is something to consider.

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thanx all for the reactions

 

@ jamo: thanx for taking the time to analyse this. Can you explain me where I can make these analyses?

 

Grtz, Fil

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hey

 

you can do this at …..urces.net/

 

put blinds and all the stacks in and see what is optimal shove, call and overcall range.

from this you can adapt based on your villains. I would first look if they are regs. If so they are prob shoving even wider or close to optimal. If not they are prob shoving tighter.

give them different ranges and stove it to see if its still profitable with the equity needed and the pot odds you get.

 

Bottom line, Its a call

cheers

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