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30 dollar reb on UB
We are about 15 mins into 2nd hour after the reb period.
The opener donked it up in the reb hour and has seemed to continue that
pattern into the 2nd hour. However his donking around has been of the
weak passive type and not the aggressive type. That being said he has
raised a few pots 3x after the reb hour that haven’t been shown down. I
have no read of the 3-better in the hand but I am pretty sure that he
is aware as is everyone of the donk at the table.
Should I ship or fold here?
Stage #258925068 Tourney ID 5626459 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit 150 – 2010-07-01 16:25:32 (ET)
Table: 2 (Real Money) Seat #7 is the dealer
Seat 1 – HAMMER_U (10,205 in chips)
Seat 2 – SHIP1TDONK (7,385 in chips)
Seat 3 – BOUNTIFULL (1,080 in chips)
Seat 4 – MILADO (14,670 in chips)
Seat 5 – RELIGION_LOL (6,535 in chips)
Seat 6 – JDAWG217 (7,795 in chips)
Seat 7 – VERY_EASY (12,280 in chips)
Seat 9 – THE 6PS (7,365 in chips)
THE 6PS – Posts small blind 75
HAMMER_U – Posts big blind 150
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to HAMMER_U [Kh Ac]
SHIP1TDONK – Folds
BOUNTIFULL – Folds
MILADO – Raises 450 to 450
RELIGION_LOL – Folds
JDAWG217 – Folds
VERY_EASY – Folds
THE 6PS – Raises 975 to 1,050
HAMMER_U – ??????????????
First off I will say from my experience when you have a donker that weak passive they only raise AK and TT+. Im not sure I want to ship here as you all are 50BB+ and thats a lot of chips to ship on AK. If we were IP I think a small cold 4 bet we could figure out what to do but since we are in the BB I think we just go with it? Its too strong to fold and calling sucks along with raising and getting flatted. Very tough spot.
This situation kind of sucks… but I had just flatting 1/10th of our stack here. I think you have to 4-ball if the 3-bettor has shown the propensity to donk around… Do you know anything about the original raiser?
Wein said:
This situation kind of sucks… but I had just flatting 1/10th of our stack here. I think you have to 4-ball if the 3-bettor has shown the propensity to donk around… Do you know anything about the original raiser?
Just pretty much this….
“The opener donked it up in the reb hour and has seemed to continue that
pattern into the 2nd hour. However his donking around has been of the
weak passive type and not the aggressive type. That being said he has
raised a few pots 3x after the reb hour that haven’t been shown down. I
have no read of the 3-better in the hand but I am pretty sure that he
is aware as is everyone of the donk at the table”
He was calling everything…defending with everything but he did 3x two pots in the first 15im after the reb period….so its not like he never showed aggressive action….
LOL here is my busto out hand from the nightly 30 reb on UB. Iit is earilly similar to the dailey. Again it is right after the reb hour.
I like this spot alittle better as I feel though first guy never has AA or KK and the spazz out ship is never AA or KK. I think it could be AQ though so I like this spot better. Thoughts???
Stage #259497068 Tourney ID 5626518 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit 100 – 2010-07-01 23:19:55 (ET)
Table: 25 (Real Money) Seat #6 is the dealer
Seat 1 – DEALINGBEAN (5,030 in chips)
Seat 2 – JOSIAHW (12,015 in chips)
Seat 3 – THE_FELTER (8,315 in chips)
Seat 4 – DOCBIL696 (3,405 in chips)
Seat 5 – SISTRLUK (2,980 in chips)
Seat 6 – ROYH (6,265 in chips)
Seat 7 – HAMMER_U (7,720 in chips)
Seat 8 – FUZZZY77NAVE (4,620 in chips)
Seat 9 – RUBINB (11,440 in chips)
HAMMER_U – Posts small blind 50
FUZZZY77NAVE – Posts big blind 100
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to HAMMER_U [Kc Ad]
RUBINB – Folds
DEALINGBEAN – Folds
JOSIAHW – Folds
THE_FELTER – Folds
DOCBIL696 – Folds
SISTRLUK – Raises 550 to 550
ROYH – All-In(Raise) 6,265 to 6,265
HAMMER_U – All-In(Raise) 7,670 to 7,720
FUZZZY77NAVE – Folds
SISTRLUK – All-In 2,430
I like it. I dont think sistrluk has AA or KK, why would he open for 5x I would think he would want some action and that bet size is strange more like a medium strength PP imo. Royh clearly doesnt have AA/KK. I think you raced against a smaller PP.
This looks like a 4 bet call to me. I mean if you 4 bet and they both shove then you can reconsider your still pretty deep if you 4 bet. I think I 4 bet call either player.
bigdogpckt5s said:
This looks like a 4 bet call to me. I mean if you 4 bet and they both shove then you can reconsider your still pretty deep if you 4 bet. I think I 4 bet call either player.
This is awesome advice and something I didn’ t think of…just for the rare case that I 4-bet and they both get it in I think I can vommit but then make a fold. I mean that won’t happen too often but for the times it does the smaller 4-bet is worth it.
bigdogpckt5s said:
This looks like a 4 bet call to me. I mean if you 4 bet and they both shove then you can reconsider your still pretty deep if you 4 bet. I think I 4 bet call either player.
bigdog wt if we 4bet and one player shoves is this a call? I was on the same line of reosoning as ur advice tho. 4 bet/call. Just would not know wt to do if they shove.
July 3, 2010
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I think that’s what he means. 4 bet call = you 4 bet and call a shove if one of them pushes.
By then the pot’s gotten so big that you have plenty of dead money in there for a coin flip situation.
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