yeah I have been active but shown down like 3 huge hands aipf and showed down Aces, Kings and AK

This is kind of a weird spot.  I don't like a 4b/fold as it's turning our hand into a bluff and taking away all the value AK has.  If we are going to 4b here we def. have to call his jam.  His 3b size is what makes this hand kinda difficult.  I lean towards 4b/call cause with his huge 3b sizing you really can't expect him to show up with KK and AA here very often, I think his range is more weighted towards AK, AQ, QQ, JJ, TT and even pairs as low as 77 possibly.  A lot of table dynamics also matter here as well.  If your table is letting you run it over and you are able to pick up chips rather easily, you could make an argument just to fold here and keep slowly accumulating without resistance.  There is a lot of gameflow involved with how to play this hand as you can make arguments for playing it multiple ways.

buffyslayer1 said:

Cougars4444 said:

This is kind of a weird spot.  I don't like a 4b/fold as it's turning our hand into a bluff and taking away all the value AK has.  If we are going to 4b here we def. have to call his jam.  His 3b size is what makes this hand kinda difficult.  I lean towards 4b/call cause with his huge 3b sizing you really can't expect him to show up with KK and AA here very often, I think his range is more weighted towards AK, AQ, QQ, JJ, TT and even pairs as low as 77 possibly.  A lot of table dynamics also matter here as well.  If your table is letting you run it over and you are able to pick up chips rather easily, you could make an argument just to fold here and keep slowly accumulating without resistance.  There is a lot of gameflow involved with how to play this hand as you can make arguments for playing it multiple ways.

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kinda what i thought, and i thought if i jam i can prob get him to fold out everything except KK+

 

sucks i jammed into AA, but kinda interesting spot as 4bet/fold is gross which is why i posted as i was a little lost pre

Are you really going to shove 100bb in this spot? This deep I'm not interested in getting it in pf w/ AK. I would take a more conservative route either fold to his 3 bet (prob. not) or flat and see a flop.

SittingDucks said:

Sucks to go all in with this huge stack. I just flat here and basically look for an ace or a king here.

I agree shipping in 90bb here is kinda gross, but if we 4 bet and he ships we are crushed and have turned Ak into a bluff

flatting is really akward stackwise and playing it OOP is gonna be really difficult, which is kinda why the hand is akward. I am pretty sure that flatting will show a a marginal expectation overall at best. However I think its better than 4 bet ship still as below

flat pre

I made it 3k pre he now makes it 13.2k which is pretty large, if i flat there the pot on the flop is 28k and villain has 95k behind.

Flop comes xxx he c bets to say 17k (60% pot) the pot is now 42k with the villains having 78k behind, now I have 2 options shove or fold with effective stacks

a) 66.66% the time we lose 13.2k = -8.7k

b) 30% time we hit the flop, against his 3 bet range of say TT+/AK

c) 3% of the time we hit the flop and he flops a set

a = -8.7k

b = +18k

3 hands we beat from 7 (assuming he c bets all hands that 3 bet pre) c bet fold and we win 43% of the time = +18k

2 hands beat us from 7 29% of the time but they stack us for = -57.4k (198k*.29)

2 hands chop from 7 29% of the time = +57.4k

c = -6k

total = +3k

4 bet/call or ship

shows a -3k expectation versus a range of 3 betting TT/AK and calling KK+/AKs

overall i think FOLD is actually best to the 3 bet!

anyone wanna check my math that would be cool!

HITTHEPANDA said:

this spot is not going to come up often at all

is really important.

i know you're never supposed to fold AK preflop, and in general that is true, but there are spots and this is one.

nothing here is working for us. given the positions and stacks, there is really no reason for him to be light, his sizing is huge and we're OOP. if we were in posittion, his 3bet wasn't so big or stacks were shallower then something other than folding becomes a better and better play.