I agree that 17 bb's pre ante is too much to shove in this spot, but I probably don't min raise UTG here because I would be afraid of getting 4 callers like you did. I 3x it and then get it in on any flop. As played though I like it.

First off you should never have a open shoving range utg of 17bb.

Pf you could either limp/shove or min/c.

Post i wouldn't cbet here i think that is just burning chips, by fluke you got through this time.

On the low stakes the villains are probably not going to notice that you switched up your openraise size, but the higher the stakes the fishier this looks. I generally don't like to swich up my opening size in most spots, except from the SB or to exploit fishes. Of course this many caller is a nightmare situation, but that is not going to happen toooo often I would like to think. If this is a table however where this is the norm I like to openjam, as youre still going to get called too loose.

As played you are probably not getting away here. I just bet/call here probably, more often than not youre at least life. Another option, though def not the best vs so many players, rather vs 1 or maybe 2 is to jam, as youre gonna get called by hands that beat you either way and with the jam i experiece that you get people to call you w AQ, AJ, A and some other crap, and hands like that.

Tiny_Molester said:

First off you should never have a open shoving range utg of 17bb.

Pf you could either limp/shove or min/c.

Post i wouldn't cbet here i think that is just burning chips, by fluke you got through this time.

How would you play the hand?

i know what u mean bro, and if you are in mp2 or HJ, ehh..still dont like it. U have no depth to your stack. U get out flopped u lose. your not pushing anybody off no more. theyre calling u. u cant raise a donk lead on flop, too shallow, and probably getting called. Or he hits, u bet he check raises, your fcked..U have no chips. In order to win tourneys u have to take the proper shots. I realize the shallow tourneys on Merge and know what your saying. But really, U want this in the middle at this stage, and u WANT a caller. If not then just rock on either way. U have to capitalize on scenarios like this. Yes I've won tourneys down to 2bbs left, but thats only cuz I never had good oppurtunity to get it in. Not by choice. You should be lickng your chops here. Your oop, u dont have enough chips to raise this then fold it, your blinds are goin up and your probably going down under 10 in a few minutes. Its very possible you don't see another hand as good in a while. Or you see one, and your now too short with no FE or, your so short now and you have to shove the dreaded A8 cuz you let yourself slip to 8bbs, and now your getting called by everything, pairs,all broadways, a10+..i sware you have to get this in,  not even thinking twice. This right here is your oppurtunity to do 1 of 3 things, make a nice run to the money and ft, steal the blinds, or just get out of it. Remember this quote. “if u want to live, youve got to be willing to die” THIS IS IT!!

okokok….well im glad u are licking your chops here ..ive got notes on this situation and other hands like JJ. 600,000 + hands..this spot right here is as +ev as u can get..LOL don't mess with it.  Too often we get called by weaker aces (referring to the jj), or speculators, etc, and we miss, get outflopped and just burn the chips. if not we get put in awkward spots. between u and I. This play here needs no tweeking, and i love u lol

terbet11 said:

What up Hawk-

Great playing with you at the same table in the TPE tourney btw.  In regards to this hand, I think I also just shove pre.  You have quite a few stacks that are short that will be happy to call with middle pairs and weaker aces.  I don't mind getting looked up here by 99, 88, or 1010 knowing I am flipping.  If it gets through with all folds so be it.  By opening utg min it is screaming strength and you may not get the action you desire.  To many times (like 2/3 of the time..lol) what happens will happen, you miss, and now you are c betting in to 5 people.  I think the flop was as good as you could ask for though when missing and I too will ead here.  I think you can even bet 1/4 pot though becasue you will get all the information you need by the villains actions. By leading smaller you are giving them the idea you have equity to fold and looking for action with your AA or KK.  if they call or raise, you can then make future decisions while conserving your stack at the same time.

one thing about this you really have to be careful about terb is that for me. when i see that 1/4 pot bet, im 2.5x almost always with complete air, cuz i know exactly what this bet means 85% of the time. its a feeler, like i dont have any faith in this hand bet. So u just gotta be real careful here. The only thing that really does protect you is your stack size..if im wrong im playing for your effective stack so i have to procede with caution. Or like now he flats the quarter size bet..Now what? lead again? its just tough..thats y i say just get it in, and take the  thinking out and put it all your opponents..and every fourth or fifth time, get called w far worse..

lolhawkeyeK9 said:

Sup Terb-

Great playing with you also in the TPE cage match. Thanks for your thoughts on this hand. Maybe I am trying too many new things. Do you think my play is awful?

Les-

You and Terb take same line here and I respect both you guys as great players. I will have to rethink this new line I am trying. Thanks for your thoughts. Oh, and I love you too 

lol!