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November 18, 2014
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Honestly, I don’t see how this things happen to me (I mean in the sense of not being able to see them). Not because it’s strange, but because I’m unable to put the villain in any kind of hand given the way he is playing the hand. Are you ever folding in this spot?
No Limit Holdem Tournament PokerStars
9 Players
$8.00+$0.80
Blinds 15/30 9
UTG tiprot 2,910
UTG+1 xJustAwesome 2,618
MP1 nukls669 3,159
MP2 Hero 3,390
MP3 danydodu 2,613
CO Domse000 3,020
D fabio_bruxo 2,955
SB DD_JAMES_SS 3,435
BB duoluo 3,000
9 45 Hero is MP2 K A
2 folds, nukls669 raises to 90, Hero raises to 270, 3 folds, DD_JAMES_SS calls 255, 1 fold, nukls669 calls 180
3 840 A 5 6
DD_JAMES_SS bets 840, nukls669 folds, Hero calls 840
2 2,520 8
DD_JAMES_SS goes all-in 2,325, Hero goes all-in 2,280
2 7,125, 2 all-in 5
DD_JAMES_SS shows a full house, Fives full of Sixes 5 6
Hero shows two pair, Aces and Fives K A
DD_JAMES_SS wins 7,125 (net +3,690)
nukls669 lost 270
Hero lost 3,390
June 2, 2013
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Mark that player as “lol way too much donk” and move on, really bad play by him.
As this goes he calls a 3bet oop, and dbet flop pot size, you can fold TPTK in this spot, buy i think is really hard to do, there is some ways people play really conservative, depend on reading too, donk as he is, when dbet pot otf you can think he has a set most of the time, maybe some weak aces, but i am not sure about that. Again, too conservative for me, I would play the same way.
February 5, 2015
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Yeah…not sure there is much you could do here.
Who knows what the hell he has?
I’d be looking at getting 2 streets of value here. Any more than that and I am wary. But considering he only gave you that in any case…
These players in my experience usually turn up with AQ or AT or MP GK.
Just take a note and thank your lucky stars this was only an $8.80 not the Main Event.
March 1, 2015
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I think you could find the fold button here on the turn.
When he called calls preflop i put villain on small pairs Ax hands, when he donks out for a pot bet i like the call to see if he slows down, when he jams the turn what range of hands do you put him on, this is never KK,QQ,JJ,TT,99, maybe sometimes an Ax but in that range he has A5,A6 that is also crushing you, i personally find the fold button here and say to myself i still have 75bb’s in this tournament, when you call you are often behind which you find you are here and hoping to hit, if he does have a set of 5′ or 6’s you get it in drawing dead.
You just have to note him and move on and have a good stack to build back up. Fun players don’t have many bluffs there and when he donks it gets even stronger, if he was a thinking player he would let you do all the betting and put you in on the river knowing you have a lot of strong A’s in your 3bet range. You also get 110bb’s in there and the only hand i could find myself getting it in for that much in this hand is AA,55,66,88 on the turn.
February 5, 2015
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testing testing 123…keep writing a post and getting access denied…really frustrating
February 5, 2015
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Ok so its working.
Yes I in fact agree with barra on 2nd thoughts. It seems like a huge amount of bb’s to get in with top pair.
Which reminds me…I have a related question…
I do understand intuitively that getting top pair in when very deep is somehow way worse than when very shallow, but I couldn’t put it into words. Maybe its just because I’ve heard it so many times I know it to be correct. Can anyone explain it to me please? The board runs out the same when deep or shallow.
Is it because top pair is only a marginal hand, which when shallow it is less of an issue because you only have a little equity in the tourney? And when deep you have greater equity in the thing so its more of a problem getting it in with a marginal hand?
Or am I way out?
November 18, 2014
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No, what you are talking about has to do directly with SPR. With a higher SPR 9-13, TPTK can be uncomfortable to play since we are no way committed to the pot and drawing hands get really good implicit odds against us. With an SPR 9-13 we are going to need 3 barrels to get all our stack in which gives a lot of implicit odds to drawing hands (i.e. set mining, flush draws, straight draws) that will likely get our full stack if the hit.
With small SPR we commit soon to the pot and thus drawing hands do not have odds to call. I.e. a small pair will have no odds to set mine if you had only 10-20BB since the total reward for the implied odds of actually hitting your set (1 out of 8) are not enough to justify set mining. The same thing happens with hands like suited connectors and similar.
At least that is my understanding of it. The concept itself if I recall correctly was initially brought up on the “Professional no limit hold’em” by Ed Miller (at least I think so).
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December 6, 2012
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It has to do with the risk-reward for both you and your opponent. When there is 3000 in the pot and 3000 in the effective stacks, you are each getting 2:1 to stack off, meaning you need only 33% equity and will both be correct to do so with a wide range. Your opponent will have incentive to stack off with many weakers hands, which means that you will probably be a favorite with a hand like TPTK when the money does go in. If there is 3000 in the pot and 30,000 in the effective stacks, then you are each getting 1.1:1 to stack off and need nearly 50% equity to do so. Consequently, you both need much stronger hands.
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