Really not sure what I would rather have here….it might not even matter.
I know I am well ahead of the shovers range and I think a call here looks slightly weaker than a reship. I am thinking that by just calling I might get AQ or AJ to reshove on me where as they might fold if I ship. I guess 88-1010 might shove as well though as to where they might just fold pre if I reshove. If the shipper has a pocket pair I can lose to him and win a side pot from an AQ or AJ that will keep my stack where it is.
Maybe I am overthinking this and it is a moot point but I would love to hear some opinions.
Would you rather just shove here or try to induce?
why?
Stage #285041897 Tourney ID 5654191 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit 1,000 – 2010-07-21 01:12:39 (ET)
Table: 20 (Real Money) Seat #7 is the dealer
Seat 1 – 1K2DAY (11,588 in chips)
Seat 2 – STRAKAKHAN (11,177 in chips)
Seat 4 – SHIP_IT_TY (13,321 in chips)
Seat 5 – THE_DOSE101 (26,102 in chips)
Seat 6 – DEBO34 (49,900 in chips)
Seat 7 – HAMMERU (22,365 in chips)
Seat 8 – KUNKMAN (49,187 in chips)
Seat 9 – LOCKDOWNTEX (42,589 in chips)
1K2DAY – Ante 100
STRAKAKHAN – Ante 100
SHIP_IT_TY – Ante 100
THE_DOSE101 – Ante 100
DEBO34 – Ante 100
HAMMERU – Ante 100
KUNKMAN – Ante 100
LOCKDOWNTEX – Ante 100
KUNKMAN – Posts small blind 500
LOCKDOWNTEX – Posts big blind 1,000
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to HAMMERU [As Kh]
1K2DAY – All-In(Raise) 11,488 to 11,488
STRAKAKHAN – Folds
SHIP_IT_TY – Folds
THE_DOSE101 – Folds
DEBO34 – Folds
HAMMERU – Calls 11,488
KUNKMAN – Folds
LOCKDOWNTEX – All-In(Raise) 41,489 to 42,489
HAMMERU – All-In 10,777
against really weak players who wont notice, flatting is better to give them a chance to make a mistake.
against better opponents, they know u put in half ur stack and is not folding, so it looks extremely strong. they will shove much tighter JJ+/AK. iso shoving looks much weaker and they may call wider.
depends on buy in level mostly, i reshove most of the time fwiw.
Personally taking down the shover stack increases your stack by 50% which is a good thing. I could see playing this way with AA/KK..maybe. But not AK you have a drawing hand and the less people in the pot the better I would feel. I would poker stove it and see what the equity differences are 2handed vs 3 handed.
JDOG1645 said:
Personally taking down the shover stack increases your stack by 50% which is a good thing. I could see playing this way with AA/KK..maybe. But not AK you have a drawing hand and the less people in the pot the better I would feel. I would poker stove it and see what the equity differences are 2handed vs 3 handed.
What I was thinking was that I had about 2x the short stacks shove and both blinds had me covered. If one of them shoved I would;
1) Have a chance to win a monster pot to become chip leader
2) Just have to win a side pot with one of the bigger stacks to maintain my stack
Since I thought that my call looks pretty strong anyway I think maybe AQ AJ 1010 and 99 are the only hands that one of the blinds reshoves that would have folded if I just shipped it in. I am 62 percent against that range for the side pot.
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt
616,429,440 games 0.566 secs 1,089,097,950 games/sec
Board:
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 62.109% 60.63% 01.48% 373744596 9110946.00 { AKo }
Hand 1: 37.891% 36.41% 01.48% 224462952 9110946.00 { TT-99, AQo-AJo }
All of this said I still do not know which I like better and would def like to get some more opinions on this.
JDOG1645 said:
Personally taking down the shover stack increases your stack by 50% which is a good thing. I could see playing this way with AA/KK..maybe. But not AK you have a drawing hand and the less people in the pot the better I would feel. I would poker stove it and see what the equity differences are 2handed vs 3 handed.
And it is not like I am absolulely crushing this guys range either and am just gong to “take down the shover”
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt
3,554,743,104 games 3.319 secs 1,071,028,353 games/sec
Board:
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 41.364% 37.99% 03.37% 1350474372 119908710.00 { 33+, A8s+, KTs+, Q9s+, J9s+, A9o+, KJo+ }
Hand 1: 58.636% 55.26% 03.37% 1964451312 119908710.00 { AKo }
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