Is this the final table? Regardless, I think I’m jamming here something like ATs,AJo,KQs,99 if not a bit wider. I like jamming with big cards better than medium pairs because of blockers and expecting EP traps to be big pair heavy. Having both players covered is a great reason to widen our range somewhat, and it is entirely possible button is pretty wide if he is attacking a weak limper, which he should be when guaranteed position post-flop. If I’ve never seen MP1 limp over a reasonable (~50 but ideally >150 hand) sample, then I am wary of a trap and would expect BUT to be tighter as well (if both players have been at the table for awhile). That being said AJs is probably still in my jamming range, but it might be better as a fold.

Even if UTG thinks they are trapping, I see players make this play with 88-TT often enough that I don’t think we’re always crushed by their limp-calls.

How do people feel about making a ~9bb 3bet planning to call off vs. any jam but fold if both players shove? Kind of awkward but I never expect to be in decent shape if both are willing to get all in, and think we can fold even if it is a chipEV math mistake. I think we may cap our range, at least in villains’ eyes (whether or not we are actually capped), to having less QQ+ when we jam.

almofadinhas said
I will have to check my ranges, Ginger and DDD thinks BTN is wider than I thought. I will try to find similar situations at this room.

This is somewhat player dependent and (at least in my case) based on population reads at slightly higher stakes on a different site. It’s possible BTN range is quite tight here, but hard to imagine many players are folding suited Broadways and hands like A9s against an UTG limp so, unless you expect BTN is limping behind with those hands, its safe to assume you are ahead of a healthy portion of their range. It’s not a mandatory shove, considering that you may never be doing better than a flip when your shove gets called, but you have an opportunity to pick up >5bb uncontested, which should happen often enough to make the shove very profitable.

I don’t really like it at 20/25bb effective when you’re OOP for postflop play, but an argument could be made for flatting AJs here. You’ll keep a lot of dominated hands in both players’ ranges, and will be able to get into some very profitable post-flop situations. The downside of flatting is that you’ll end up in many 3 – 4 way pots where you’ll often have a choice between 1) folding a lot of equity vs. range or 2) putting more chips into the pot out of position with very little clarity. I think this option is probably better at the micros than it would be against tougher fields, but I’m not in love with it either way.

I think it’s very hard for shoving AJs to be a mistake here, but I can’t say with any certainty that it is the 100% best way to play your hand.

almofadinhas said

Looking foward to your analisis.  

Hey dude, I’m still working on this, started with a staking stable and I’ve been grinding pretty much 24/7 to hit their volume targets (it’s about twice what I’ve normally been playing). Between that and reinstalling my operating system, studying time (outside of session reviews) has temporarily gone from 10+ to 0 hrs per week.

This spot is still really interesting to me. I played a similar spot yesterday with the small 3bet approach and exactly the problem theginger45 described happened, both players flatted. I got lucky and flopped the NFD which backed into runner-runner Broadway after getting ATs in on Q94 vs button KQo. If I’m not being results oriented, I agree that max equity denial with big ICM pressure is going to be the more profitable approach long term. When you occasionally get it in way behind you’ll still have equity, and enough chips behind to be competitive the times you don’t suckout.