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February 26, 2014 - 10:39 am
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here's the hand:

Merge Network Nightly $2.20 – $700 Gtd [Deep] No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t5000.00/t10000.00 Blinds + t1000.00 – 7 players – View hand 2440640
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

BUDA5050 (BTN): BB = 24.6, t245835
Hero (SB): BB = 37.4, t374246
grinderJNAS42O (BB): BB = 17.8, t177585
C4nn0n84 (UTG): BB = 38.0, t379624
raybrd103 (UTG+1): BB = 34.4, t343890
freddy10841 (MP): BB = 22.0, t220352
gorms85 (CO): BB = 27.8, t278468

Pre Flop: (t22000) Hero is SB with A of clubs J of spades
C4nn0n84 raises to t20000.00, 4 folds, Hero raises to t32000.00, 1 fold, C4nn0n84 calls t12000

Flop: (t81000) 3 of diamonds 9 of clubs 9 of hearts (2 players)
Hero bets t35000.00, C4nn0n84 calls t35000

Turn: (t151000) K of diamonds (2 players)
Hero bets t60000.00, C4nn0n84 calls t60000

River: (t271000) 4 of hearts (2 players)
Hero bets t10000.00, C4nn0n84 calls t10000
 

C4nn0n84 is a bit loose and likes to flat me. I have 3 and 4 bet him at least 4 times by this point. All with success. He is 25/15 vipip and has shown he wants to float me.

Any thoughts on how I played the hand? I don't like my river play so much, however the guy tanked forever.

 

I know the hand is not suited. Can't change the title. sry. lol

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February 26, 2014 - 11:00 am
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Well no matter the history with this guy I don't like your 3bet sizing from the SB with AJo. It's a decent hand 7handed against a player who's on the looser side. Still it's not that easy to play oop in my opinion, so I'd try to take it down pre with something like a 2.3x 3bet if you think he's folding enough. Your 3bet gives him more than 4:1 odds, so he'll flat almost everything like T9s, 22+ etc. You also could just flat and try to play smallball postflop unless you hit good, but the fact that you are oop with a mediumstrength hand would make me prefere reraise imo. You also take control of the hand.

The cbet on a 399r flop isn't bad, I just believe that every good player would float a superdry board like this with any pair, any Ax with backdoor flush/straightdraw and maybe something like JT. Given that I'd just check and see what he does, trying to take it down with a delayed turncbet.

The turn card isn't the best for us, on he other hand you can represent pretty decent here, so I like that 2nd bullet, although I'd make it a little over 1/2 pot to convince him that his best option is folding.

Now that he's called you, I would just give up on the river. Dunno what else you could do here. If you think he's just a weak calling station who might do these three calls with 66 or A3o you can try and make an almost potsize bet.

Probably not the ideal play, just my thoughts on this hand.

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February 26, 2014 - 1:24 pm
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Thanks for your thoughts.  My 3bet was small just to take control so I can cbet him off his hand on a weak flop. At least thats what I was thinking. lol  However this seems bad I feel because im out of pos. Thanks again

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There are times when I feel like I was put here on this earth to admonish people against bloating pots out of position with marginal hands. This is one of those times. You said yourself that the villain likes to flat and float you; why are you looking to bloat the pot vs his presumably stronger UTG range with AJo and then fire on a bricked flop?

It is a good general principle to have larger 3 bet sizing out of position to make up for your positional disadvantage; your sizing would make more sense if you're on the BTN, but I wouldn't be laying a flatty floaty guy such fabulous odds to call you here, because one of two things is going to happen: you're going to brick the flop and be inclined to shovel money in against a floaty guy with a wide range and position, or you're going to hit the flop and he'll mostly be able to play perfectly against you (fold worse, call better).

As played, river is either a shove or a check/give up. You have just under a PSB left in your stack, so you'd be shoving all your value hands. Certainly wouldn't be min-betting them! In your shoes, I'd live up to my name and punt-shove since my story is that I have a strong hand and I'm sticking to it…

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February 26, 2014 - 3:46 pm
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Thanks for the feed back. I feel more like a donk now. lol but Great insight. Had I jam the river, He would have folded. He had AQd. Thanks again

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This is just not a great spot to triple barrel, but a decent spot for a double.  The river changes nothing, if he called turn hes calling river.

 

Your thought proccess of trying to get him off post, is going to destroy your 3 betting for value range.  3 betting light, even with aggro people, is done in order to value their actual hands and take advantage of people folding too much.  By making it really small, you are loosing value with good ahnds, and minimizing the effects of peolpe folding too much as it rarely happens.  The only time I would be doing something like this is to induce or effect more PF action, not to have an effect on postflop action.

 

Once the turn comes, this isnt really a 3 barreling hand(one could even say after the flop it really isnt a 3 barreling hand).  So I would basically be looking to get him to fold on 2 streets with my bluffs, but also be concious of my value hands.  Your flop sizing is fine.  The turn though, since I know 3 barreling wont be working, I would go more.  I would want him to be weary of playing for stacks, as well as make bluff catching ore expensive for him.  I would go something like 50-60%, siding on the alrger side near 60%.  I would bet like 80-85k here.  This is also a good amount to do so with value, allowing you to get river value for a lot more.

 

But def dont make it that small pre, ESPECIALLY OOP!!!

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