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January 5, 2015
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$365 Live Tourney at WSOP Circuit in Baltimore
Blinds: 150-300-25 (Level 6 – still long way to go)
Stacks: Hero has 14k. V covers (at about 20k)
Villain: 23 yr old hoodie white kid. Looks the part. I just got moveed here about 20 mins ago and have not seen V do much. He certainly is not LAG or reckless. I’d say TAG though. I have not seen him limp.
Hero Image: I came to table with about 4k and quickly got it in on a few hands which were uncontested to build to about 6k or so. I did get a double up and showed down KK after 3 bet shoving AI for the 2nd time in a row. A few mins later I got in a multi-way pot vs a UTG raiser and a caller and overbet the pot on a wet flop (I hit 2 pair but they did not know that). So i am guessing my image appears to be LAG/TAG somewhere in there.
Folds to me and I raise from CO with QJcc. V, in SB, 3 bets to $2400. I call.
Pot: 5400
Flop: KT7hh
V bets 1700 into 5400.
Pot= 7100…
I have 11600 left behind…what is the best play here?
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December 6, 2012
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I like shoving. Even if he suspects you're light, what can he do about it? Call you with Tx? That's not so bad, as far as worst case scenarios are concerned.
I want to mention too that it's generally not a good idea to overbet the pot on the flop. I'm guessing the reason you did it was that you were worried about getting drawn out on, but that's not the right mindset to have. If you bet 3/4 of the pot, no one is getting the right odds to call with a draw, which means that you make money if they do call. It can be frustrating to lose to get sucked out on, but it's not the end of the world. By making it so obvious that you have a strong hand, you also cost yourself money, money that you could have won had someone called or raised you with a weak hand.
I'd suggest taking a look at my Getting Paid series here on TPE.
September 14, 2014
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Foucault said:
I like shoving. Even if he suspects you're light, what can he do about it? Call you with Tx? That's not so bad, as far as worst case scenarios are concerned.
Do you really think there's a lot of Tx in there range? OP said that V is certaintly not LAG or reckless so his 3-bet pre flop range is going to b erather narrow AQs+ 99+ some bluff in his range A2s-A9s , K2s-K7s and yes perhaps a few Tx.
when we get to the flop there sizing is really small less then 1/3 of the pot , if he had Kx surely he would bet a bit bigger to get value from worse , so many hands that would pay of a bet so ya he seems really weak.
question is now what's he betting flop with here? seems like a marginal hand are in his range AQ maybe pocket pairs QQ/99/88 , flush draw perhaps….thats setting there own price.
I must say i prefer folding pre imo , though not terrible since we do have position and stacks are kinda deep to see a flop with a hand that does have good flopping value
January 5, 2015
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folding_aces_pre_yo said:
I like shoving. Even if he suspects you're light, what can he do about it? Call you with Tx? That's not so bad, as far as worst case scenarios are concerned.
Do you really think there's a lot of Tx in there range? OP said that V is certaintly not LAG or reckless so his 3-bet pre flop range is going to b erather narrow AQs+ 99+ some bluff in his range A2s-A9s , K2s-K7s and yes perhaps a few Tx.
when we get to the flop there sizing is really small less then 1/3 of the pot , if he had Kx surely he would bet a bit bigger to get value from worse , so many hands that would pay of a bet so ya he seems really weak.
question is now what's he betting flop with here? seems like a marginal hand are in his range AQ maybe pocket pairs QQ/99/88 , flush draw perhaps….thats setting there own price.
I must say i prefer folding pre imo , though not terrible since we do have position and stacks are kinda deep to see a flop with a hand that does have good flopping value
Yeah I thought he could be doing this with a number of hands, including many that I beat. I figured, at the table I had about 30% fold equity. I did not do the math at the table but it felt close between calling and shoving. I chose the shove as we were mid-game and I had a decent chance to win this right here. And if we go to the felt, then I have a decent chance there to double up and get some chips and havea shot at a deep run and a good table image. So I shoved…
Incidentally, I did some math later and it looks like the shove is +EV by only a little: between 1 and based on this or that. The call was a little more difficult to crunch out but I estimated about the same EV of 1BB or so…
I think there is an argument for folding too pre-flop but it feels very nitty with QJs at this stage of the game in position.
September 14, 2014
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@wager
I like the shove (you do have fold equity) though which value hands will you be playing the same way?
do we have a r/c range here?
June 25, 2014
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Of course we have fold equity…but…what hand are we repping?
It's such a small C-Bet….he either is real weak or reeling you in. How different is raising the turn or floating and betting the turn when he checks?
I might raise the flop, shove the turn. Get a bit more value if he calls the flop raise. (if he calls the raise and turn shove…he's calling the flop shove too)
You also have a chance to get a feel for his reaction to the raise and your hand looks like you want more value.
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