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Aggresive overbets
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April 6, 2016 - 11:00 pm
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At the first hand V is a very aggresive player and i think he is going to put me all in on the river with any card. As i see it now , i could call the turn but i would be in a very awkard spot on the river.If he had a flush draw i think he would check back the turn  , yet i am not sure about my play.

At the second hand i dont know if we win anything , except flush draw semibluff , so i folded.

What do you think?

Hand Conversion Powered by WeakTight Poker Hand History Converter
No Limit Holdem Tournament PokerStars
9 Players
$4.00+$0.40

Blinds 40/80 9
UTG kingpapa1687 2,572
UTG+1 flegmatik987 2,952
MP1 sontilou 3,000
MP2 qlucha 12,290
MP3 Filadendron8 3,405
CO Berkovskiy_r 6,481
D pairo678 2,863
SB Hero 4,367
BB iitchypantz 7,820

Preflop
9 120 Hero is SB J Q
1 fold, flegmatik987 raises to 160, 5 folds, Hero calls 120, iitchypantz calls 80
Flop
3 480 5 3 J
Hero checks, iitchypantz bets 216, flegmatik987 folds, Hero calls 216
Turn
2 912 3
Hero checks, iitchypantz bets 896, Hero folds
Final Pot 1,808

iitchypantz wins 1,808 (net +536)
Hero lost 376
flegmatik987 lost 160

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No Limit Holdem Tournament PokerStars
8 Players
$0.80+$0.08

Blinds 250/500 8
UTG dccdaniel 9,900
UTG+1 Cawaen 35,310
MP1 TBMXXL 9,140
MP2 xxSTORMZYxx 12,040
CO Hero 18,468
D ESFR2015 14,380
SB savilofff 45,212
BB hese-fuchs 19,675

Preflop
8 1,150 Hero is CO K J
3 folds, xxSTORMZYxx raises to 1,250, Hero calls 1,250, 3 folds
Flop
2 3,650 3 K 7
xxSTORMZYxx bets 1,500, Hero calls 1,500
Turn
2 6,650 9
xxSTORMZYxx goes all-in 9,240, Hero folds
Final Pot 15,890

xxSTORMZYxx wins 15,890 (net +3,850)
Hero lost 2,800

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April 7, 2016 - 12:32 am
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First hand is a nasty spot, think folding shows good discipline on your part. Second is an easy call. The major difference between them is that the second is all in, so you just have to call that one, slightly larger that pot sized bet and you get to go to showdown. You need less than 40% equity to call.

In the first, you must fear another large bet on the river, which means you’re potentially getting much worse odds. This is called “leverage” and it forces you to play tighter with bluff-catchy hands like this.

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Great points by Andrew, I would second those. An added part of the second hand is that when you have Kx you block some of your opponent’s Kx, meaning the hands that beat you are somewhat restricted, and you have no diamonds, meaning villain can have all the flush draw combos.

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Andrew/Matt,

I don’t understand why #1 is a disciplined fold… The description of the villain is aggressive. I think villain can’t have very many hands that have us beat. Also, having a J means lesser chance V has KJ or AJ. I actually don’t understand the turn overbet with a totally blank turn card. In fact, I don’t see *any* difference between #1 and #2. Both hands, we have top pair with a 2nd or 3rd best kicker. How does it matter whether you need to call one big all-in for 25BB total(hand #2) versus multiple big bets totalling ~30BB(hand #1)? Isn’t the effective chips you are calling around the same whether you get it in on the turn or on the river? 

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The description of the villain is aggressive. I think villain can’t have very many hands that have us beat”

I don’t follow the logic here. Aggressive players can have just as many strong hands as anyone else, sometimes more. I think what you mean to say is that an aggressive player will have some hands Hero can beat that other players may not. So, go ahead and put him on a range and check how much equity Hero has against that range.

 

Isn’t the effective chips you are calling around the same whether you get it in on the turn or on the river?”

Your range for calling a 30BB bet into a pot of 25BB should be much wider than your range for calling a 30BB bet into a pot of 10BB. 

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Andrew,

By aggressive player, I mean that he can bet bigger with hands that non-aggressive players won’t. Someone betting 1/3 pot in all 3 streets in multiple pots is not an aggressive player IMO, but someone who constantly overbets the pot is one.. Let me get access to a computer and do the range analysis and reply back here…

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