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Being an American player I can’t play online so I have been going to my local poker room to play tourneys. The structures are terrible small starting stacks, short levels, no auto shufflers, and small fields/buyins (I cannot play the fri/sat tourneys since I am a chef and almost always have to work). I watched the live tourney vid and picked up alot of good info but I am still having trouble with having 4 and 5 people flatting my raises pre then not knowing where I am in a hand post flop. People over valuing hands like QJ, KJ, KT, and Ax. Wondering if anyone has some advice they could give for making the switch from online to live.
Players do tend to take a lot more flops in these tournaments. Normally if I don't flop a big hand I'm just check/folding because the stacks arent deep enough to run elaborate bluffs against a ton of opponents. Where you can really get the most value out of your opponents is when the stacks start to get shallow because most live players in these will have zero idea about proper shove and calling ranges and will make a lot of mistakes when it really matters. That's why I put a big emphasis on stack preservation in these live turbos is to give yourself the opportunity to maximize your abilities when everyone gets to push/fold. I'd also recommend watching some of the turbo videos on the site as the stacks are shallower just like the smaller buy-in live events you are talking about.
I've been thinking a lot about live tournament poker the last few days. I have played a few Delaware Park tournaments and they usually have 20 minute levels and 10K starting chips. I believe that means we're probably seeing about 10-12 hands a level. Should we treat these kinds of tournaments as basically turbos, even with a decent size starting stack?
My plan in these things are to try and play fairly tight the first few levels and then look for spots when the antes start to kick in around level 4. The problem is that if you go card dead around the 200-400bb levels you're basically playing a 12-18bb shortstack push fold strategy (at least that's my thinking). I'm wondering if I need to open up and play a more aggressive strategy against the passive fish in the first few levels to try to get more chips early on.
October 6, 2010
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in live tourneys, i think you can still raise-fold a 15bb stack because even with a 8-10bb stack you still have fold equtiy, wheras online you never do.
so yeah, i would treat it as a turbo, but i think you can wait slightly later than you would online to start with the push-fold strategy.
Thnx for the advice guys. Going to play wpt regional in jax, fl today I will put your advice to use hopefully we make a deep run
I'd go out on a limb and say almost all lower stakes live tournaments would be considered turbos. The levels tend to be shorter and people tend to take a lot longer to make decisions live which makes it so you dont get in as many hands per level. I do agree with benny in that you can raise/fold a 15bb stack because you def have a lot more FE live with a 8-10bb stack then you do online.
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July 20, 2010
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most of the smaller buyin events are very shallow late and people will actually open fold under 15 bb and very strange opens like 4 or 5 x and fold. I feel that if you bring a solid fundamental online style to the live events you can be very succesfull
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